Sailors Say Kerry Unfit to be CinC

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  1. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    http://interestalert.com/brand/site...teia&Fid=WORLDNEW&Type=News&Filter=World News

    Vietnam vets slam Kerry

    By RICHARD TOMKINS, UPI White House Correspondent

    WASHINGTON, May 4 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's accounts of his service in Vietnam and his statements that he witnessed atrocities were attacked as fabrications and political opportunism Tuesday by a group of Vietnam veterans who served with him personally or in the units affiliated with him during his short tour of duty in Southeast Asia.

    The veterans, including some of Kerry's former commanders and shipmates, have formed an organization called "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" and called on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee to authorize release of all his service records, including medical records.

    "We feel it is very, very import that the American people get the actual truth about that three or four months Kerry served in Vietnam since he has made it a center piece of his biography," said John O'Neill, who took charge of Kerry's boat and crew after Kerry left Vietnam. "Second, we resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam. ... We think that those have cast aspersion on those living and dead.

    "We think he knew he was lying when he made them. We think they are unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people. Third, we believe that based on our experience with him, he is totally unfit to be commander in chief."

    Kerry, who commanded a river patrol boat, served about 4 months of a one-year tour of duty in Vietnam and won the Silver Star and Bronze Star. He requested and received reassignment to the United States after receiving three Purple Hearts for combat wounds, allowed under Navy regulations. The circumstances and merit of one of those awards has come into question in the campaign against President George W. Bush, leading to acrimonious mudslinging and a resurrection of the turmoil the conflict inflicted on American society.

    Following his return and then discharge from the Navy, Kerry became a prominent anti-war activist and testified before Congress that he had witnessed U.S. forces committing atrocities and war crimes.

    "I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces," said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, chairman of the organization. "This is not a political issue. It is a matter of honesty."

    Hoffman said Kerry had recently telephoned him and spent 45 minutes attempting to convince Hoffman of not proceeding with the formation of the organization, which Democrats Tuesday attacked as a shill for Bush.

    Hoffmann, who debated Kerry on television in 1971 over Vietnam allegations, denied any ties to Bush or the Republican Party. The Swift boat veterans held differing political and social views, he said. "There is only one issue we all agree on, and that is the issue of John Kerry."

    In a letter to Kerry signed by more than 200 Swift boats veterans, they wrote, "It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us).

    "Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.

    "We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an anti-war to a 'war hero' status," the letter said.

    The veterans Tuesday were vociferous in denying they had seen or had participated in wartime atrocities and questioned that if Kerry had indeed observed any, why he didn't report it as he was required to do.

    One veteran, noting the allegations were again made in a book on Kerry's war experiences, choked back tears as he related how his wife and daughter had read about the alleged war crimes Kerry spoke about in Douglas Brinkley's "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" and asked him if he had committed them.

    Spokesmen for the Kerry campaign were not immediately available for comment Tuesday, but the Democratic National Committee put out a statement attacking the public relations company used by the group as having Republic Party connections. The veterans made no comment on the allegations.

    Kerry has admitted a poor choice of words in his testimony before Congress in 1971 but says he served with honor in the war.
     
    #31     May 4, 2004
  2. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp

    May 04, 2004, 4:26 p.m.
    Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
    The medical description of his first wound.

    By Byron York

    Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.

    Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.

    I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
    John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

    The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

    Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

    That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

    What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

    I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

    The wound was covered with a bandaid.

    Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.
     
    #32     May 4, 2004
  3. newbunch

    newbunch

    Sounds like the time I fell off my bike. Damn, I didn't know I could have gotten a Purple Heart for that.
     
    #33     May 4, 2004
  4. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Can you believe the guy shot himself and gets a purple heart? Hahahahahahahaha. Yeah, a real war hero. LMAO!!!!!!! Look Ma, I shot myself, give me a purple heart and some cookies and milk. LOL! What a phony. Only in America could a guy like this actually get elected. Unbelievable.
     
    #34     May 4, 2004
  5. nkhoi

    nkhoi

  6. Sounds like both choices suck, don't it?
     
    #36     May 5, 2004
  7. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Nah, one is definitely better then the other. But you are right, we should be able to do better.

    Maybe we should start a new reality TV show called The President. Each week, Donald Trump will fire one potential candidate until we get down to two candidates. It can't produce a result worse then Kerry right now.

    Ask yourself this question, if Kerry were no longer a US Senator, could he ever get hired by anybody? I mean seriously, what are his job skills?

    He can't even use his 19 years in the Senate because he never shows up for work!!!! LOL.
     
    #37     May 5, 2004
  8. newbunch

    newbunch

    And I bet more people watch American Idol and other "reality" TV shows than vote. So voter participation would actually go up if we did it that way.
     
    #38     May 5, 2004
  9. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    LMFAOROTF

    Not.
     
    #39     May 5, 2004
  10. This letter from the Swift Boat guys is getting a lot of media play. Kerry is also catching flack from Donna Brazille, Al Gore's campaign manager, for not having enough blacks in his campaign. Coincidentally, an Hispanic activist is criticizing him for not having enough Hispanics. Probably they are mad they are cut out of lucrative campaign consulting contracts and this is payback, but all of it adds up to a nightmare for Kerry.

    The polls are showing Bush getting some breathing room in the battleground states. If Kerry can't make ground on Bush with everything that's happened in the last month, he maybe should seriously think about stepping down and letting someone else have the nomination.
     
    #40     May 5, 2004