S&P 500 looking very toppy

Discussion in 'Trading' started by rubberbird, Jun 20, 2005.

Is the S&P 500 about out of gas?

  1. Yes, rubberbird is usually correct

    67 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. No, there's more upside ahead

    46 vote(s)
    22.9%
  3. I don't know/ I don't care/ the bird is an idiot

    88 vote(s)
    43.8%
  1. I think people do not understand that the "market" has had a huge sub-rosa rally because the S&P 500 and large-cap techs were just realigning with their huge market caps. But many sectors have had 100%+ runs, and their respective charts are extremely extended. To extrapolate from this point that the major indices are set to run is extremely dangerous, so I like your call very much. If anything, the major indices are relative-strength laggards, and the other sectors may be ripe to roll over.
     
    #161     Jul 13, 2005
  2. I totally disagree. The S&P rose from 800 to over 1200 in the last 2 years. So the trend was clearly long. If you say that trading against the trend was more profitable than i would like to know how you do that if you lose in 2 years time more than 400 points ( or a 50% rise) in the S&P? There was a +400 points potential for the longs, how would shorters be able to create a +400 points potential in a rising market?

    But if you are a trendfollower with a lousy system ( like the fundsmanagers) than it's clear that their trendfollowing didn't work. If they would have traded against the trend their losses would even have been bigger. So this confirms that trendfollower is better than trading against the trend.



    Birdie, i said a few hours ago long till the close of the day; and we broke (slightly) the high from this morning.
     
    #162     Jul 13, 2005
  3. For those of you who say the bird is off his rocker, gnaw on this feed.
    The bird will be short the homebuilders overnight wednesday. Just for fun..
     
    #163     Jul 13, 2005
  4. toshiba

    toshiba

    From my point of view we will see some new highs S&P around 1250 before larger correction comes.
     
    #164     Jul 13, 2005
  5. quite frankly, i'm not sure the 1225 will hold up any more. But usually when I throw in the towel, the market HAS topped!
     
    #165     Jul 13, 2005
  6. doublea

    doublea

    1225 $SPX Cash?
     
    #166     Jul 13, 2005
  7. Mvic

    Mvic

    Stopped out overnight (- $11K) it was inevitable after posting my trade on ET. Win some and you lose some.
     
    #168     Jul 14, 2005
  8. Well, it went fast as i said.
    First rule: NEVER trade against the trend (unless you are a very professional and experienced trader).

    It will help you to avoid big losses and the biggest gains are always in the direction of the trend. The best thing to do is to take first the easy gains (trendfollowing) and to learn afterwards to take the difficult ones (against the trend).

    A good point for you is that you respect your stop. If not you will sooner or later end up in the "boiled frog" scenario.
     
    #169     Jul 14, 2005
  9. In these zig zag markets with volatile swings from one end of the range to the other, I am afraid your advice is rather worthless. Sideways markets punish the trend followers relentlessly. Perhaps this trend has legs still, but I think you're overstating your case by lecturing a guy for making a trade.
     
    #170     Jul 14, 2005