'S&P 500 is incredibly dangerous': Why Buffett's favorite valuation indicator is a flashing warning

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Frederick Foresight, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. S2007S

    S2007S

    I have been mentioning the buffet indicator for a while now on here, but now I have noticed how loud and how many more mentionings its getting here and across social media and articles. It's as if all of the sudden this buffet indicator is finally showing its true colors. .....
     
    #11     Jul 21, 2024
  2. We're going to face a sideway market,
    it won't go down big time.
     
    #12     Jul 21, 2024
  3. schizo

    schizo

    Sometime between September and October we should see a big drop IMO, likely over 10%. Mark your calendar.
     
    #13     Jul 21, 2024
  4. Let's see...
     
    #14     Jul 21, 2024
  5. maxinger

    maxinger

    'S&P 500 is incredibly dangerous': Why Buffett's favorite valuation indicator is a flashing warning

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    'S&P 500 has an incredibly great coming fortune': Why Buffett's favorite valuation indicator is a flashing opportunity for the traders
     
    #15     Jul 21, 2024
  6. Fed Balance sheet trumps all indicators, charts, news, or anything else.

    The Fed IS the market
     
    #16     Jul 22, 2024
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    The question of which comes first is interesting. Is it anticipation of, or is it reaction to corporate peak earnings caused by people and entities running out of credit and deployable funds and/or corporate over-expansion? I tend to think it is reaction rather than anticipation. Peak earning are clearly a lagging indicator. Based on Q2 it seems we are still on the up slope. Certainly looks like a big correction is on the way though. Generally speaking it seems it is hard to have a recession without first making an earnings peak.

    This is the period of typical market doldrums in any case. Perhaps sometime after November? What makes me think that events of this past 24 hours could result in election euphoria that could propel us into 2025? "Never short a market because you think it is too high" --- William O'Neil. That may be a alteration of what William O'Neil actually wrote, substituting "market" for "stock"?, but I see no reason why the same dictum would not apply to the "market" as well as individual stocks. Regardless, we'll never reap the top tick other than by blind luck.
     
    #17     Jul 22, 2024
  8. The Oracle is as usual right. Unfortunately, it always takes weeks, months until ratio is "near" 200%. Hardly any SHORT SELLER hedge fund survived last few years.
     
    #18     Jul 24, 2024
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    He already made his. :finger:
     
    #19     Jul 24, 2024
  10. I agree we're due for a drop. Valuations no longer make sense. Especially in light of what one can make risk free in treasuries.

    Look at a long term SP500 PE ratio chart
    https://www.multpl.com/s-p-500-pe-ratio

    I count 4 peaks higher than today over the last 100 years.

    Margin debt is moving up too.
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    The more levered up it gets, the faster they're going to have to sell on any downslope.
     
    #20     Jul 24, 2024