Ryan Jones - the final frontier in snakeoil!!

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by 50 cent, May 5, 2004.

  1. syrre

    syrre

    rotflmao
     
    #71     Dec 11, 2005
  2. What's so funny?
     
    #72     Dec 11, 2005
  3. stav

    stav

    Hmm,... coming from you this remark certainly bears its weight.! what's wrong in the book? Its pure math and probablitities that seem logical to me. You refer to his fractional ratio theory maybe? Any hints?
     
    #73     Dec 11, 2005
  4. syrre

    syrre

    the first post, the one i replyed to.
     
    #74     Dec 12, 2005
  5. Two issues:

    the calculations have a number of errors (i think u can find details at trader2traders site).

    the premise is bet big with a small account and wind back when the account is big.


    Trouble is that this prescription =

    "bet big when you are new and make lots of errors including, perhaps, not getting out"
    "bet big when you are likely to do psych damage to yourself"

    and then, if you should be amazingly lucky and survive overleveraging your early trading then

    "wind back your risk levels to something sensible"


    Instead of:
    1) work out a reasonable fixed fraction risk level
    2) wind it back when you are small, vulnerable and learning
    3) wind it up when you have it together (according to your plan) to the precalculated sensible fixed fraction of equity.
     
    #75     Dec 12, 2005
  6. just ordered the book and found the attached article in eSignal forum... Not related to Ryan Jones but on MM, what kind of MM method this is called?
     
    #76     Dec 12, 2005
  7. send all retail stkbrokers to iraq.
    maybe then they will be more productive.
     
    #77     Dec 12, 2005
  8. Does anyone out there hv a spreadsheet showing fixed fraction, fixed ratio, percent risk, and percent volatility position sizing models (just as what suggested in below link)???

    Is there a book explaining all these methods?

    http://www.traders2traders.com/papers/Ryan.Jones.MM.htm
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    I agree with most of what Gary Fritz says above. I have been experimenting with the fixed ratio position sizing strategy using ProSizer, the Monte Carlo simulation tool I developed just for this purpose (see http://unicorn.us.com/trading/prosizer.html if you're curious about it).

    I compared fixed fraction, fixed ratio, percent risk, and percent volatility position sizing models. In all cases I adjusted the parameters so that the average of the Maximum Drawdown from all the trials came out to 25%. Then I looked at the return. I did this for trades generated by two different trading strategies. My assessments are as follows:

    * Fixed ratio usually performs better than fixed fraction.

    * One will likely find that the %risk or %volatility models described by Van K Tharp superior to fixed ratio, for the same drawdown.

    * Fixed ratio is dangerous: higher standard deviation of draw-downs, higher probability of ruin. It fails to account for equity size or risk per trade.

    * I think it's irresponsible for Ryan Jones to promote this method to beginning traders, who won't understand the risk involved. On the other hand, I have noticed that sometimes fixed ratio is the best-performing model for small accounts.
     
    #78     Dec 12, 2005
  9. Wishful thinking?
     
    #79     Dec 12, 2005
  10. tango29

    tango29

    In an email I received before this last for the website he says he is going to enter a trading contest on Jan 1 using the method he was selling. I assume it was the Robbins contest, it'll be interesting to see if it really happens and if so what happens.
     
    #80     Dec 12, 2005