Russian collapse coming?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Ivanovich, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. dalengo

    dalengo

    Precisely.
    May be some former Stasi, who turned traders now.
     
    #71     Sep 20, 2008
  2. dalengo

    dalengo

    Attacked from all sides, by whom? By ferocious French and British, you mean? True, on June 6, 1944, the Allies began Operation Overlord in Normandy with appreciable success. That was almost exactly 3 years after Nazi launched their blitzkrieg on Russia (June 22, 1941.)
    Wasn't PM W. Churchill soiling his pants under V-2 fire back in London until D-Day came?


    Before this courageous effort by Allies to reclaim Western real estate, Russians were left alone to fight genocidal German Aryans on their own. Various significant events happened, like battle of Moscow, Siege of Leningrad, battles of Stalingrad and Kursk.

    True, Russian losses were huge, many due to Nazi genocidal policy (Wiki) "that included Slavs (Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Serbs, and others), Roma (see Porajmos), mentally ill (see T-4 Euthanasia Program), Homosexuals and "sexual deviants", Jehovah Witnesses, and political opponents. R. J. Rummel estimates that 16,315,000 people died as a result of genocide, just over 10.5 million Slavs, just under 5.3 million Jews, 258,000 Roma and 220,000 homosexuals.[123][124] Donald Niewyk suggests that the broadest definition would produce a death toll of 17 million.[125] A figure of 26 million is given in Service d'Information des Crimes de Guerre: Crimes contre la Personne Humain, Camps de Concentration. Paris, 1946, p. 197."

    As mentioned previously, Russians could have equalized the score. Imagine this: they could have returned the confiscated properties to Jews, put the Aryans into the meat grinders they built for the rest of Europe, kicked them out to find a place in the Middle East, etc ... World would look much different today, wouldn't it?
     
    #72     Sep 20, 2008
  3. ssss

    ssss

    Ouch!
    You can sure say THAT again!!!

    Some would suggest that the USA has "engineeered" a global financial meltdown to teach the Ruskies a very valuable "lesson".
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    In this case suspect no ...

    Some time before author was very wondering about bullish trend without any complex fundamental ...

    DIA ETF
    10 aug 2006 110.50
    14 maj 2007 135.50

    That was "Dow rally" .Some columnist's compared this rally
    with rally of NASDAQ in 2000 untill 5000+ points

    FRS rate was low and was advertised ,that economy would going good .

    But banking sector was greedy ,they invested in old as world junk ideja - subprime

    Payement for "Dow rally" today

    LEH,MER ,AIG

    MS,GS,UBS would survive ,but
    UBS marketvalue decreased more as 100 bill $ ,MS fight
    to secure he's name (Wachovia merger)
     
    #73     Sep 20, 2008
  4. LOL, you should frame it - it's so true.
     
    #74     Sep 20, 2008
  5. I was looking at the RTS and MSE last week.

    Deutsche Bank have relations with RTS, but I'm not sure about other representations, and how to get e.g RTSI elsewhere? Is it part of a FORTS package somewhere in the west?

    From what I can understand of Russia today - the population value economic stability first and foremost; that is pretty reassuring if going to invest there - i.e public support for fiscal conservatives. I don't think they are at all so egalitarian right now, like Ivanovich points out with the novo-rich... but that's how it is everywhere.

    The newly rich never understand fiscal conservativeness and the importance of some egalitarian base for stability, contributing to further sustainable development. But it seems like Russia is coming along quite nicely in terms of economy and socioeconomics.

    While the Russians and Americans are antiamerican and antirussian respectively; Europeans and Russians are not anti each other to the same extent - it's more "neighbourly". Europeans and Americans have had a little rough patch through the Bush presidency, and we will have to see how things will develop. South Americans are very much antiamerican, while Americans think they are irrelevant. Russia are also very good with India and Brazil. It seems like Russia is very nicely positioned for future growth - IF they can maintain stability, trust and integrity - and not let someone tilt the table on them. I am talking long term here...
     
    #75     Sep 22, 2008
  6. That's a terrible thing to wish for. Look, I know the thought of some kolkhozniks raising the Soviet flag over Berlin sixty three years ago while wearing multiple wristwatches still boils your blood, but you're still carrying hatred.
     
    #76     Sep 22, 2008
  7. LMFAO!
    :D

    It reminds me of some of the Horse-style movies from Vietnam that my first martial arts instructor had...
    I wish I had more of a clue before getting my ass whooped in a full contact competition with Viet Vo Dao people... the bastards.

    I also trained Sambo for roughly 18 months, so I guess I'm a little biased. I also had a Kickboxing instructor for a couple of years that talked nothing but his Preussian background and discipline - it was tough but ok. I guess it motivated me to give a voluntary extra martial arts summer class of 4 hours, lashing out close to 600 push ups during the exercise in collective punishment for not reacting fast enough to the Korean commands... those were the days. At university, for the 5 years I was there the instructor initially saw we had similar stylistic (ITF) backgrounds, but he was afraid of disciplining the class - so I had to do all the warm ups and keeping order etc.
     
    #77     Sep 22, 2008
  8. Aw thermy, if you think I have any feelings at all about what happened to Germany, you'd do better in used kiddie porn than in the stock market, because your instincts are shit.
     
    #78     Sep 22, 2008
  9. As an outsider to both the US and Russia, and even outside Europe since the new millennium, I would like to say that the US is saturated with symbolism and nationalism not much unlike another large nation in the early 20th century. They also have an uncanny loyalty and idolizing of their leaders, even religious overtones with no democratic common sense at all, while their loyalists are aggressive in self-censorship... with their eyes set on all of the world and its resources.

    Sure sounds like a familiar theme of organizational system that I learned about in primary school.

    www.anglospherechallenge.com
     
    #79     Sep 22, 2008
  10. Russia DID NOT start the recent Georgia activity (you can thank US "Blackwater" ops with Georgian spec ops for that.....they drew FIRST blood) so their current financial crisis can be chalked up as another PLANNED distraction. We can't have Russia of "clear thought" when the attack of Iran takes place....they need to be DISTRACTED. wink, wink :eek:
     
    #80     Sep 22, 2008