Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Atlantic

    Atlantic

  2. Those guys are not on the same page.

    We went through some heavy rounds of nuclear threats from Putin and others and then Putin dialed it back because it is causing NATO to ramp up even more.

    The hardliners around Putin are trying to ramp up the rhetoric to compensate for the perceived weakness of Putin - but he is trying to tone it down. Occupy the Donbass and hold on to Crimea and try to find a win in this situation.

    Medenev may see some palace guard talk and action around the Kremlin and he may be trying to position himself to be on the good side of any changes that may take place.

    What a mess.
     
    #9222     Jan 19, 2023
  3. Atlantic

    Atlantic


    all these criminals have to die - and only then can russia start to recover, if at all.
     
    #9223     Jan 19, 2023
  4. (scroll down just a bit for the video in the link)


    Whoaaaaaaaaa!

    I see a man in this video who can expect to fall down the stairs or out of a window sometime very soon.


    Russian State TV Guest Admits War Was a 'Disastrous Mistake'

    newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-nadezhin-war-mistake-disastrous-1775016
     
    #9224     Jan 19, 2023
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  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    lolz:

     
    #9225     Jan 19, 2023
  6. Nobert

    Nobert

     
    #9226     Jan 20, 2023
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It's not only the Russian military which fails to pay death benefits. The Wagner group does not pay either and rips off families. No Ladas for you.

    Russia’s Wagner Group Accused of Ripping Off Grieving Families
    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russia-wagner-group-accused-ripping-175400707.html

    While Russia’s Wagner Group embarks on a frenzied recruiting spree after massive losses in Ukraine, pissed-off family members of dead recruits say they’ve been ripped off by the shady band of mercenaries.

    “I buried my son, and haven’t gotten any kind of payment for him yet, not a cent! I will not be quiet about this!” said Yelena, the mother of Sergei Shevchenko
    , a prison inmate in the Krasnoyarsk region who died after being recruited by Wagner.

    Local authorities in the town of Kodinsk announced Shevchenko’s death and wrote that the family was in need of “financial support” to give the former inmate a proper burial, according to local media. This despite Wagner promising to cover burial expenses and issue compensation for war deaths.

    Yelena said she didn’t know that her son, who’d been jailed on a repeat drunk driving offense, had been swept up by Wagner until he’d already been taken away to join the war.

    “I’ve already raised a fuss with the military registration and enlistment office, and reported it to our local newspaper … . If this ‘Wagner’ doesn’t give me anything, I will seek him out!” she said.

    Other families have made similar complaints. After Nikita and Alexander Arychenkov, two brothers from the Krasnodar region, were killed while fighting for Wagner in late December, their sister took to social media to shoot down claims the family could at least take consolation in the fact they now have “material prosperity.”

    “Nobody has paid [us] anything,” she said.

    The problem has apparently been widespread enough that it served as inspiration for graffiti in Voronezh, St. Petersburg, and other cities where messages went up demanding Wagner pay up on its promises.

    Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin responded to the allegations late last month, saying through his press service that the graffiti must have been done by someone with a grudge against him.

    “All fighters get paid down to the last penny,” he said. “All the dead receive the funds written in the contract. That is why not a single person in this world can have a complaint against me regarding payment,” he said.

    It was not immediately clear if the same rules apply for those who are executed by the group over perceived betrayals or infractions.

    Human rights groups and former members have spoken out about several executions being carried out within the private army to force other fighters not to step out of line. The most high-profile case linked to the group, of course, was the brutal sledgehammer execution of former member Yevgeny Nuzhin, filmed and circulated by a Wagner-linked channel on Telegram to demonstrate the group’s “retribution” last November.

    An anonymous Wagner fighter told the VchK-OGPu Telegram channel earlier this month that the group doesn’t issue payouts for the executions, or in cases where there is “no body.”

    He also said the group has subtler ways of executing its own undesirables.

    “As a ‘nice’ type of execution, [there could be] an explicitly fatal task, where it is basically impossible to survive: Storming positions as far as you can go; reconnaissance by fire without a chance to return, etc.,” he said.

    “It has become kind of a tradition.”
     
    #9227     Jan 20, 2023
  8. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    i guess it will take at least 100K more dead russian "soldiers" to start something like an uprising in that sick country.

    so be it ...
     
    #9228     Jan 20, 2023
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    ‘They guaranteed he was inside’ Russia’s Wagner mercenary group is reportedly sending empty coffins to its fighters’ families
    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/01/20/they-guaranteed-he-was-inside
     
    #9229     Jan 20, 2023
  10. Wagner continuing to be a problem for Pooty Boy. Especially since he is teamed up with Kadriyov/sp the Chechen guy in their opposition of Putin. Putin is a weird one. He just last month made the Chechen guy a full general in the Russian Army as a way of trying to buy his favor which has not worked. And on top of that the Russian command is saying the muslims in the army cannot have beards. Yeh, that's a winner. Vlad. OR NOT.

    The Wagner group allegedly has delivered up a "victory" (battle still in progress) in Soledar/sp.

    Wagner guy is a mixed bag. He has street cred with the hardliners and Putin needs anything that looks like a win anywhere. But it continues to make the Wagner guy a rising threat to Putin when he takes a dinky town (the battle is large though) that the regular Russian Army could not take.

    Frigging junta mentality there. Everyone at the top waiting for their move.

    Pretty bizarre actually. Russia is/was supposed to be one of the top armies in the world. And their leading fighting force now - or is about to be- a freelancing oligarch leading a band of prisoners.


    Wagner Group Numbers Swell As Prigozhin Becomes Problem For Putin

    Wagner Group Numbers Swell As Prigozhin Becomes Problem For Putin (msn.com)
     
    #9230     Jan 20, 2023