Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #8801     Nov 17, 2022
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #8802     Nov 17, 2022
  3. virtusa

    virtusa

    #8803     Nov 18, 2022
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  4. terr

    terr

    Ok - this is HIMARS hitting a railway bridge in Russian-occupied Ilovaysk.

    The precision of HIMARS continues to amaze.

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    #8804     Nov 18, 2022
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #8805     Nov 18, 2022
  6. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    But did it also damage that track down on ground/lower level beneath it? :)

    Looks like it lines up pretty good.
     
    #8806     Nov 18, 2022
  7. General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, added fuel to the fire. In his speech, he stated that the chances of a military victory for Ukraine are not yet possible, warning that Russia still has significant combat power. The general also added that Kiev is unlikely to be able to oust the Russian army from the positions it currently occupies.

    "The probability of a Ukrainian military victory is extremely low now," Milley said.

    It was also stated that the Ukrainian authorities should now concentrate on peace talks. After all, Russian missile attacks do not stop, and the infrastructure of Ukraine has already been almost completely destroyed.
     
    #8807     Nov 18, 2022
  8. easymon1

    easymon1

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    #8808     Nov 18, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's outline the actual quote from Milley --- instead of what you are pushing from some Russian propaganda outlet -- which you provide no link to. The only sites with the quote '"The probability of a Ukrainian military victory is extremely low now," Milley said.' are Russian bulletin boards & propaganda sites. for example - https://www.flashback.org/p82451095 which quotes crap posted on Telegram (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/1120)

    Milley's actual quote:
    "The probability of a Ukrainian military victory - defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they claim as Crimea - the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily," Milley told a news conference at the Pentagon.

    Let's read the full summary of Milley's remarks including his exact words from a respected mainstream media outlet.


    Top U.S. general plays down probability of near-term Ukraine military victory
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ear-term-military-victory-ukraine-2022-11-16/

    WASHINGTON, Nov 16 (Reuters) - The top U.S. general on Wednesday said Ukraine's chances of any near-term, outright military victory were not high, cautioning that Russia still had significant combat power inside Ukraine despite suffering battlefield setbacks since its invasion in February.

    Ukraine has vowed to keep the pressure on Russian forces until it reclaims control of all occupied territory. Over the weekend, Ukrainian forces recaptured the strategic southern city of Kherson - stoking optimism about Kyiv's broader military prospects heading into winter.

    Still, U.S. Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, urged caution.

    "The probability of a Ukrainian military victory - defined as kicking the Russians out of all of Ukraine to include what they claim as Crimea - the probability of that happening anytime soon is not high, militarily," Milley told a news conference at the Pentagon.

    "Politically, there may be a political solution where, politically, the Russians withdraw. That's possible," he added, saying Russia "right now is on its back."

    Milley added that the United States would support Ukraine in defending itself for as long as it takes, comments echoed by U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin at the same event.

    Milley and Austin addressed reporters after a virtual meeting between dozens of defense ministers supporting Ukraine's military with billions of dollars in military hardware as well as training, advising and intelligence support.

    "Ukraine will continue to endure. Ukraine is not going to back down," Milley said, adding that Ukraine was free, "and they want to remain free."


    ATTACKS ON POWER GRID
    Milley accused Russia of "imposing a campaign of terror" on Ukraine with its attacks on cities and energy plants.

    "The deliberate targeting of the civilian power grid, causing excessive collateral damage, and unnecessary suffering on the civilian population is a war crime," Milley said.


    The Pentagon has stressed the importance of military-to-military communication with Moscow during the nine-month-long war. Austin and Milley both spoke with their Russian counterparts last month after Moscow accused Ukraine of planning a "dirty bomb" attack.

    But Milley acknowledged unsuccessful attempts to reach his Russian counterpart on Tuesday after a deadly missile strike in Poland raised concerns about spillover of the war into NATO territory. Ukraine is not a member of the trans-Atlantic defense alliance but aspires to join.

    NATO leaders said on Wednesday that the missile that hit Poland was probably a stray fired by Ukraine's air defenses and not a Russian strike.

    Austin said Ukraine knows that it would be a mistake to allow Russia to refit and rearm its troops.

    "They have to continue to keep the pressure on the Russians going forward and I think (a) winter fight favors the Ukrainians," Austin said.
     
    #8809     Nov 18, 2022
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  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Not to mention how they did last Spring during the thaw. Farmer can you spare a tow out of this effin mud? :D
     
    #8810     Nov 19, 2022