Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Notice how the posters who continually push Covid misinformation are also the Putin boot-lickers.
     
    #8541     Oct 24, 2022

  2. Ah, name-calling.
    Sure sign of a logical and well-constructed argument. Also, not knowing exactly what you're defining, but using vague generalizations to make some ranting point.
    You love to ignore the incessant actual Nazi insignia on the uniforms of the Ukrainians. Like the one with Zelensky's bodyguard wearing a Nazi symbol.
    Or the Azov battalion, which is known, even by western mainstream media, to be an actual Nazi battalion. As in, they think of Adolf Hitler himself as a hero.
    So go ahead, call the Russians, who died fighting actual Nazis in far greater numbers than any other nation on Earth, Nazis. And pretend Ukraine is the good guys.
    Sure.

    Don't know why you're so afraid of the puny Russians beating the all-powerful, all-noble Ukrainians.
    I mean with the Ghost of Kiev on their side, they can't lose, right?
     
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    #8542     Oct 24, 2022
  3. terr

    terr

    The Maltese cross that Ukrainians use for their military symbol has a long history and has been used in a lot of cultures. Including Russian.

    But here is one of Putin's friends who tattooed actual SS chevrons on himself. Cannot be mistaken for anything else can it?
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    Or the head of Rusich (one of the Russian military units) - Alexei Milchakov - who in a news interview said "Yes, I am a Nazi"?
     
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    #8543     Oct 24, 2022
  4. themickey

    themickey

    Russians were not on offensive against Nazis, they were just defending.
    Australia, NZ, (ANZAC's) UK, American, they had boots on the ground in Europe attacking Nazis.
    All Russians did was stay at home, they only entered Germany after their defeat to take the spoils of war which was East Germany, and then turned that into a walled off shithole with rampant poverty.
     
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    #8544     Oct 24, 2022
  5. terr

    terr

  6. themickey

    themickey

    Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939, starting World War II, Stalin waited until September 17 before launching his own invasion of Poland.[3] Part of the Karelia and Salla regions of Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertsa region). It was known at the Nuremberg trials the existence of the secret protocol of the German–Soviet pact regarding the planned divisions of these territories.[2] The invasion of Bukovina violated the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, as it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence agreed with Germany.[4]

    On 22 June 1941, Hitler launched an invasion of the Soviet Union. Stalin was confident that the total Allied war machine would eventually stop Germany,[5] and with Lend Lease from the West, the Soviets stopped the Wehrmacht some 30 kilometers (or 18.6 miles) from Moscow.
     
    #8546     Oct 24, 2022
  7. themickey

    themickey

     
    #8547     Oct 24, 2022
  8. themickey

    themickey

    And they only won because of assistance from the West.
    This time in Ukraine, Ruskie gets no Western assistance, lets see how that works out
    Meanwhile Ukraine gets assistance from West, lets see how that works out.
     
    #8548     Oct 24, 2022
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  9. terr

    terr

    Stalin, at the Teheran conference:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war. The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Khruschev, in his memoirs:

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."
     
    #8549     Oct 24, 2022
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    Get a grip. Although many countries harbor a small number of Nazi misfits, to characterize Ukraine as a hot bed of Nazism, as has been done in Russian propaganda, is ridiculous. This war was not started by Putin to wipe out Nazism in Ukraine, despite what he may have said on occasion. Mr. Putin has made it very clear that he considered the break-up of the Soviet Union a great catastrophe. He wants to put the old Russia back together. But one can't help but think that in the back of his mind the prospect of returning Ukraine to the vassal state it once was is sweetened by its agricultural and mineral rich geography, its pipeline routes to the West and its valuable Black Sea Ports. With Mr. Putin it's a matter of emotional Russian pride, which he expresses publicly, and all the riches of the Ukraine land and sea, which he can't mention. Unfortunately for Mr. Putin, the Ukrainians have ideas of their own, and they don't include returning to a Russian puppet state.

    Mr. Putin won't give up. He'll have to be decisively defeated in a war in which many will die, and there will be huge losses to both sides. Of course the thought has crossed Mr. Putin's mind , although the probability is small, that he could end his days in prison now that he is a recognized war criminal and international pariah. Although he will become increasingly unhinged and make irrational threats, he has, nevertheless, already lost this war. It was lost the day it began on February 24, of this year. No invader whose troops' only interest is in returning home alive can win a war against an organized, determined, unified and well-armed opposition defending their homeland. Of course he didn't know the enemy as well as he should have. And that is what will prove to be his fatal mistake. He will not use chemical nor atomic weapons, as then there would be no more reason for the NATO nations to continue toying with him with the intention of not provoking him to use such weapons. Most likely the Russians themselves will have to kill him to end this pointless war...
     
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    #8550     Oct 24, 2022
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