Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    The latest on the Kerch bridge situation. In my opinion this explosion is due to a missile and not a truck bomb.... but the Russians are still pushing the truck bomb angle & arresting people.


    Russia's FSB Says Eight Detained Over Crimean Bridge Blast
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-crimean-bridge-arrests-ukraine/32076815.html

    Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said on October 12 that it had arrested five Russian nationals and three citizens of Ukraine and Armenia over the explosion that damaged the Crimea Bridge on October 8.

    The FSB said in a statement that the attack was organized by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, and its director Kyrylo Budanov.


    On October 12, a senior Ukrainian official dismissed Russia's investigation as "nonsense."

    "The whole activity of the FSB and Investigative Committee is nonsense," Ukraine's public broadcaster Suspilne cited Interior Ministry spokesman Andriy Yusov as saying.

    Yusov described the FSB and Investigative Committee as "fake structures that serve the Putin regime, so we will definitely not comment on their next statements."

    The explosion on the 18-kilometer-long Crimean Bridge targeted one section of the road bridge, temporarily halting truck and car traffic.

    It also blew up several fuel tankers on a train heading from southern Russia toward the Moscow-annexed Crimean peninsula.

    The Crimean Bridge was completed in May 2018 and built at a cost of some $4 billion. It was a significant prestige project intended to bolster Moscow’s claims on Crimea that was inaugurated by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The bridge had become logistically vital to Russia's military campaign in Ukraine, with supplies to Russian troops fighting in south Ukraine channeled through it.

    Russian forces launched mass missile strikes against Ukrainian cities, including power supplies, which Putin said were a retaliation for the Crimean bridge blast that he said had been organized by Ukraine's secret services.
     
    #8361     Oct 12, 2022
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading



    Vladimir Putin becoming desperate with Ukraine 'absolutely annihilating' Russia
    James Rushton, an independent foreign policy and security analyst, told the Mirror that the Kremlin’s troops are “just killing civilians because they can and they are militarily incompetent"
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-becoming-desperate-ukraine-28210954

    Despite brutally bombing Ukraine in a renewed campaign Vladimir Putin is becoming increasingly desperate and his forces are still losing on the battlefield, an expert has claimed.

    James Rushton, an independent foreign policy and security analyst, told the Mirror that the Kremlin’s troops are “just killing civilians because they can and they are militarily incompetent”.

    Russian President Putin launched a missile and drone barrage on a number of Ukrainian cities including its capital Kyiv on Monday, sending children walking to school running to bomb shelters.

    The strikes were some of the deadliest since the start of the war in February and Russia may have violated principles under international humanitarian law, a spokesperson for the United Nations (UN) Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

    But Mr Rushton says the Ukrainians “are still beating the Russians out of their country” and clawing back territory “pretty much every day”.

    Sir Jeremy Fleming, the head of the UK's GCHQ intelligence agency, ratified this and told the BBC that Russia is running short of weapons, allies and troops with Putin's regime becoming increasingly desperate.

    Speaking from Kyiv on the day of the attacks, Mr Rushton said they passed a street full of bodybags at a bus stop.

    “The Ukrainian army is absolutely annihilating and humiliating the Russians and this is their response,” he continued.


    In televised remarks, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Moscow had launched long-range missile attacks against Ukraine in retaliation for an attack on the Kerch Bridge — a key artery between occupied and mainland Ukraine.

    A key difference is that the Kerch Bridge is a military target, while Russia’s indiscriminate bombing of 84 cruise missiles and 24 drones attacked civilians and civilian infrastructure — killing at least 14 and injuring 97 more.

    Russian artillery has caused brutal death and destruction in cities across Ukraine but they have achieved little strategically other than giving Ukrainians more gumption to keep fighting.

    Civilians were very shocked and angry, he continued, but Russian aggression will not make them give up or cower in fear.

    “If anything this will harden resolve”, Mr Rushton continued, “the Blitz didn't break British morale during the Second World War.”


    In recent weeks, Ukrainian forces have been making impressive headway in forcing the Russian advance to retreat.

    While the attacks were successful in shattering a sense of normality that had resumed in cities following heavy bombardment in the early months of the war, they achieved little else militarily. Ukrainian troops have still got hold of thousands of square miles of Russian-occupied territory.

    “This has no military significance at all. This is just killing civilians because you can kill civilians because you're militarily incompetent and you have no answer.”


    Sir Jeremy also said Moscow's top brass are clearly "worried about the state of their military machine", adding "the word I have used is desperate and we can see that desperation at many levels inside Russian society and inside the Russian military machine".

    Out of 83 Russian (and Iranian imported) missiles fired, 45 were shot down which one military pundit says shows the strength of Ukrainian air defences.

    They wrote on Twitter : “If you calculate that many Russian missiles, which slipped through the defence, missed their target… you know how worthless that spectacle was.”

    But Mr Rushton says the Russian attack shows that Ukraine needs more and better air defence systems.

    Following the attack, Germany confirmed it was sending new systems but Ukraine is seeking more advanced air defence and anti-missile systems to counter any repeat of the barrage launched on Monday.
     
    #8362     Oct 12, 2022
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

     
    #8363     Oct 12, 2022
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  4. The Russians would know whether it is a missile or not. That does not mean that they would or would not say so. As we have seen with various "smoking" explanations they do not necessarily like to confirm some things because it attributes strength to the Ukrainians/Americans that they do not want to acknowledge.

    Just saying that if it were a missile they would know. We know that they have air defenses set up to protect the bridge because the alarms and sirens and all that type of thing have gone off with incoming when there have been various other missile attempts and drone probes for surveillance. So they would seen a missile on their screens or bullshit detectors that they have. I would think anyway, although the Russians do screw things up fairly regularly, eh? They have a lot of satellite and other related air detection systems set up at Sevastopol too to protect the Black Sea Fleet so not much goes through the air over Crimea that they do not see. Ideally anyway. If the site staff are all watching porn and are drunk they could miss some stuff real time, although it would be recorded on their screens/systems.
     
    #8364     Oct 12, 2022
  5. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    you still here?

    you still no draft?

    are you useless - EVEN for russian army?

    or do they have no boots small enough for your tiny feet?

    lol...
     
    #8365     Oct 12, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Remember Bum Fights? Well here's the Russian version.

    Russia 'is rounding up HOMELESS people as part of its military mobilisation': Men 'are grabbed while queueing up for food and forced onto buses'
    • Witnesses have described homeless men being loaded onto buses in Moscow
    • They are then taken to military enlistment offices and made to sign up to fight
    • Moscow recruitment officers also said to be targeting hotels for workers
    • This comes weeks after Putin declared a 'partial' mobilisation
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ng-HOMELESS-people-military-mobilisation.html
     
    #8366     Oct 12, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

     
    #8367     Oct 12, 2022
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    Interesting too that hotel workers are said to be a target. I would think that speaks more to the state of their economy than anything else. When things get tight vacation and travel is the first to go.
     
    #8368     Oct 12, 2022
  9. The thing that does not show in all the assessments of how many people who left Russia is the large number of seasonal, migrant, and temp workers that come to Russia from Mongolia, the various Crapistan countries etc. They may not have been thereJust imagine how many working age men immigrants on our southern border would be coming right now if they told they might be conscripted to serve in Ukraine with the Russian Army. NOT MANY. There would a line ten miles long of people leaving.

    In addition to Vlad screwing up Russia and Ukraine he has definitely frigged up lots of the central Asian countries around him. Take Mongolia and K-stan as two of many examples. They send lots and lots and lots of temp/seasonal type workers to Russia because there is little or no work in their countries. Now they can no longer go to Russia due to the various risks. BUT it is even worse. Now, the Mongolians and K-stanners have tens/hundreds of thousands of Russian draft dodgers in their countries competing with them to find work there and the reason they were going to Russia is because there was no work there to begin with.

    What a mess.
     
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    #8369     Oct 12, 2022
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    A huge majority of nations condemn Russia's forcefully annexing regions of another sovereign nation.

     
    #8370     Oct 12, 2022