Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    The sun shines on a dog’s ass once in a while. Thanks. ;)
     
    #8091     Oct 6, 2022
  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    I don’t know what’s coming out of Belarus or if it is significant or not but striking Belarusian assets when we probably have the intel and capability of limiting it to Russian activities might be a stretch even though it is totally justified. Just would not like to see something like Belarus mobilizing against Ukraine then Poland mobilizing against Belarus. It could be a big domino effect after that.
     
    #8092     Oct 6, 2022
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  3. virtusa

    virtusa

    Months ago the Belarussian top of the army tried to find out how many soldiers would fight against Ukraine.
    The result was that more than 50% would refuse. So the military adviced Loekashenko not to intervene military in the war as that might be the end of his career as criminal dictator president.
    On top of that Russia is not capable at all today to help Loekashenko like they did in past.
     
    #8093     Oct 6, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

     
    #8094     Oct 6, 2022
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  5. UsualName

    UsualName

    No doubt but there are tensions all over the world just waiting to break out. China/Taiwan; N Korea/S Korea; Iran/Israel. Lots of stuff can happen if there’s enough chaos in the world.
     
    #8095     Oct 6, 2022
  6. Belarus should pay a price or be given messages (samples of what is to come) that it will pay a price for hosting Russian troops for the purpose of killing Ukrainians and occupying Ukraine. I would not go full scorched earth of them. Let's call it "progressive sanctions" so that the Belarus people and Lukashenko can take good actions to keep the war from coming to Belarus.

    If you live down the street from me and I have some guy in my driveway who- with my permission- is shelling your house then I am complicit. And yes, Belarus should be worrying about Poland positioning themselves against Belarus if Belarus is positioning itself against Ukraine. As I said, I would not go full scorched earth against Belarus but I give them plenty of reason to do some serious thinking.

    They are sharing in the operation against Ukraine by sharing their country as a base of operations for Russia. So I would let them share in any strikes against Russian operations there. And if Belarus has allowed Russian nukes on to its territory, well, yes, all sorts of things could go bad. They could also go bad if you don't put an end to it right off by telling Lukashenko and the Belaruse people that if they want a country, they need to do some serious thinking. I would send them something to get their attention while they are thinking.
     
    #8096     Oct 6, 2022
  7. terr

    terr

    A rocket, missile or airplane attack from the territory of a country is "casus belli". No matter that the rockets, missiles, or airplanes belong to another country.
     
    #8097     Oct 6, 2022
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  8. terr

    terr

    More fun stuff from Russian media:

     
    #8098     Oct 6, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see how this goes for you Pootie-Poots.

    Russia wants secret U.N. vote on move to condemn 'annexation' of Ukraine regions
    https://news.yahoo.com/russia-wants-secret-u-n-201525928.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Russia is lobbying for a secret ballot instead of a public vote when the 193-member U.N. General Assembly next week considers whether to condemn Moscow's move to annex four partially occupied regions in Ukraine after staging what it called referendums.

    Ukraine and allies have denounced the votes in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia as illegal and coercive. A Western-drafted U.N. General Assembly resolution would condemn Russia's "illegal so-called referenda" and the "attempted illegal annexation" of the areas where voting occurred.

    "This is a clearly politicized and provocative development aimed at deepening the divide in the General Assembly and bring its membership further apart," Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia wrote in a letter to U.N. states, seen by Reuters.

    He argued that a secret ballot was needed because Western lobbying meant that "it may be very difficult if positions are expressed publicly." Diplomats said the General Assembly would likely have to vote publicly on whether to hold a secret ballot.

    Russia vetoed a similar resolution in the 15-member Security Council last week.

    "Unless the international community reacts there can be claims that no-one pays attention and this now a carte blanche for other countries to do likewise or to give recognition to what Russia's done," European Union U.N. Ambassador Olof Skoog said on Wednesday.

    He said the EU was consulting broadly with U.N. member states ahead of a likely vote on Wednesday.

    Russia does not fully control any of the four provinces it claims to have annexed, however, and Ukrainian forces have recaptured thousands of square miles of territory since the start of September.

    The moves at the United Nations mirror what happened in 2014 after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea. At the Security Council Russia vetoed a draft resolution that opposed a referendum on the status of Crimea and urged countries not to recognize it.

    The General Assembly then adopted a resolution declaring the referendum invalid with 100 votes in favor, 11 against and 58 formal abstentions, while two dozen countries didn't take part.

    Russia has been trying to chip away at its international isolation after nearly three-quarters of the General Assembly voted to reprimand Moscow and demand it withdraw its troops within a week of its Feb. 24 invasion of neighboring Ukraine.

    Ahead of a vote by the General Assembly in April to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council, Moscow warned countries that a yes vote or abstention would be viewed as "unfriendly" with consequences for their relations.
     
    #8099     Oct 6, 2022
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #8100     Oct 6, 2022