Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Mucks, you make a good Tesla salesman!
    Now watch Tesla car sales plummet.

    Russia Praises Elon Musk's Peace Plan to End Ukraine War: 'Very Positive'

    By James Bickerton On 10/4/22
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pra...d-ukraine-war-very-positive-1748699?piano_t=1

    Elon Musk Slammed For Controversial 'Russia-Ukraine Peace' Twitter Poll

    Russian officials have praised Elon Musk's peace plan for Ukraine, claiming "many ideas" raised by the Tesla CEO "deserve attention."

    On Monday, Musk tweeted a four-point plan to end the war, which would see Crimea ceded by Ukraine to Russia, fresh sovereignty referendums in four Ukrainian provinces partially occupied by Moscow and Ukraine agreeing to "remain neutral."

    Musk tweeted his proposal as a poll on Monday, asking his followers to vote "yes" or "no" in response.

    Musk's tweet read: "Ukraine-Russia Peace:

    "Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is [the] will of the people."

    "Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev's mistake)," Musk wrote.

    "Water supply to Crimea assured.

    "Ukraine remains neutral."

    As of 7:30 a.m. ET on Tuesday, the poll had received over 2.5 million votes, with 60 percent voting "no" and 40 percent "yes."......
     
    #8041     Oct 4, 2022
  2. terr

    terr

    Just because Musk is an idiot on some topics doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a Tesla. Just like because Roger Waters is a complete leftist antisemitic and pro-Russian loon doesn't mean that I will skip his concert in two days.
     
    #8042     Oct 4, 2022
  3. terr

    terr

    Complete, utter, idiocy. Amazing. Just alternate reality. The war is conducted so that her children are allowed to call her "Mom".

     
    #8043     Oct 4, 2022
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Musk should just remember what Russians think of him.


     
    #8044     Oct 4, 2022
  5. terr

    terr

    More Russian media despondency :) It is fun to watch:

     
    #8045     Oct 4, 2022
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    The Timing of the Pipeline Attack
    September 29, 2022

    The U.S. had already forced Germany to shut down Nord Stream 2 but there are signs that an end to the Ukraine war would have put it back online, writes Joe Lauria.

    By Joe Lauria / Consortium News

    President Joe Biden, with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz by his side, promised a White House press conference in early February that the U.S. was “able” to shut down the German-Russian Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in the Baltic Sea if Russia invaded Ukraine.

    A reporter asked Biden, “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?” Biden said: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”

    When Russia indeed invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Washington was able to get Berlin to suspend the pipeline project that was about to go online, even though it wasn’t in Germany’s interests.

    The pipeline has remained closed ever since. Why then did someone attack the pipeline on Monday, releasing the gas it contained into the Baltic Sea? As long as the war continues, the U.S. has what it wants regarding the pipeline.

    Evidently, the fear in Washington is that the war might not continue for as long as it wants. I argued on Feb. 4, twenty days before the invasion, that the U.S. was setting a trap for Russia and needed it to invade Ukraine in order to unleash an information, economic and proxy war with the ultimate aim of regime change in Moscow. All that was confirmed by March 27.

    Since then the U.S. and Britain have done everything it can to keep the war going, and the economic sanctions in place. But those sanctions on Russia are devastating the European economy, driving energy prices up and shutting businesses down. Ordinary Europeans are facing a winter in which they may not be able to afford to heat their homes.

    This has led to growing popular unrest and pressure on European governments to end the war, lift the sanctions and save their economies. Ending the war and lifting sanction would lead to the reopening of Nord Stream 2 (and the turbine repair of Nord Stream 1, which was also attacked).

    Offer to Resume Shipments

    Three weeks ago, President Vladimir Putin told a press conference in Samarkand that Russia was ready to resume supplying natural gas to Germany if Germany lifted its economic sanctions against Russia. Putin said:

    “After all, if they need [gas] urgently, if things are so bad, just go ahead and lift sanctions against Nord Stream 2, with its 55 billion cubic metres per year – all they have to do is press the button and they will get it going. But they chose to shut it off themselves; they cannot repair one pipeline and imposed sanctions against the new Nord Stream 2 and will not open it. Are we to blame for this? Let them think hard about who is to blame and let none of them blame us for their own mistakes. Gazprom and Russia have always fulfilled and will fulfil all obligations under our agreements and contracts, with no failures ever.”

    So the offer is there to return normal gas supplies to Europe if the sanctions are lifted. With the war having passed into its most dangerous phase, there is a growing urgency to stop the war, including talk of a Saudi-led peace process in which Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in exchange for peace.

    If momentum grows for a peace deal of any kind it would ruin Washington’s long-term plans to weaken Russia. It would mean Nord Stream 2 would reopen, which would help Germany and Russia, but crush U.S. aims at regime change and making Europe dependent on U.S. energy.

    “I promise you, we will be able” to shut down Nord Stream 2, Biden vowed. But how would the U.S. do that if Germany became poised to reopen it?

    Joe Lauria is editor-in-chief of Consortium News and a former U.N. correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, and numerous other newspapers, including The Montreal Gazette and The Star of Johannesburg. He was an investigative reporter for the Sunday Times of London, a financial reporter for Bloomberg News and began his professional work as a 19-year old stringer for The New York Times. He can be reached at joelauria@consortiumnews.com and followed on Twitter @unjoe

    https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/29/the-timing-of-the-pipeline-attack/
     
    #8046     Oct 4, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Oh great... Putin's talking points regurgitated in a blog article.

    At this point they have already identified the Russian naval vessels by name involved in the bombing of the pipelines and Forbes & other publications have already outlined in detail Russia's financial motive to do so -- which involved avoiding hefty financial penalties for not delivering the gas as per the contract.
     
    #8047     Oct 4, 2022
  8. terr

    terr

    "A reporter asked Biden, “But how will you do that, exactly, since…the project is in Germany’s control?” Biden said: “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”

    When Russia indeed invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Washington was able to get Berlin to suspend the pipeline project that was about to go online, even though it wasn’t in Germany’s interests.

    The pipeline has remained closed ever since"

    See bolded. Biden promised to shut down NS2. Biden shut it down. What is the problem?

     
    #8048     Oct 4, 2022
  9. terr

    terr

    In the last 2 days, Ukrainians took about 1/3 of the left bank of the river in the Kherson area.

    In fact this map doesn't have the full extent of gains, because I see some places that I know are under Ukrainian control still shown in the red.

    Good fast to everyone who's fasting.

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    #8049     Oct 4, 2022
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    I've read enough US history to not be so cocksure about who is the hero and who is the villain in any foreign policy story with the US involved.
     
    #8050     Oct 4, 2022