Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The best you can do is an article from 2018. SAD
     
    #7701     Sep 24, 2022
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  3. Nobert

    Nobert



    Rebeta(guys) will get some perma rest in Ukraine.

    Looks to me that they have no clue, why they are there.
     
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    #7703     Sep 24, 2022
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    Lol, if that were truly the case, we would have dropped bombs on our own country. In places like Tallahassee. Wheeee!
     
    #7704     Sep 24, 2022
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  5. themickey

    themickey

    September 25, 2022
    https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukra...herson_region_with_german_at2_mines-4325.html
    Ukraine’s Armed Forces Destroy 120 russian Tanks in Kherson Region with German AT2 Mines
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    Armed Forces of Ukraine use German DM1399 AT2 scatterable anti-tank mines, which supposedly have been secretly provided by Great Britain or Germany

    A photo appeared on the network showing the DM1399 version of the AT2 scatterable anti-tank mine that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are using in the Kherson region.

    The mine can be deployed from a rocket. It has a diameter of 103.5 mm and a weight of 2.22 kg. The mine auto-destructs after one of six selectable periods, up to a maximum of four days.

    De jure, the AT2 scatterable anti-tank mine had been in service with Germany, Great Britain and Norway. But it was prohibited in 1997 as a result of the Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention and classified as it had formal characteristics of a cluster munition because 28 AT2 mines could fit in one rocket for the Mars II rocket launcher.

    So it seems like Germany and Great Britain secretly provided rockets with DM1399 AT2 scatterable anti-tank mines as military aid.

    De facto, the mine is fitted with a small plastic parachute when it is deployed from rockets to reduce the impact when the mine lands but the one on the photo doesn’t have it. That’s why we can assume that this DM1399 AT2 scatterable anti-tank mine has been delivered by MiWS Skorpion. Nevertheless, Ukraine has never officially received such vehicles from Germany, Great Britain or the Netherlands (MiWS Skorpion is in service with these countries), to be honest, AT2 scatterable anti-tank mines either.

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    DM1399 version of AT2 scatterable anti-tank mine / Photo credit: https://t.me/horevica
    Apparently, russian army has lost 120 tanks in the Kherson region over the past 3 weeks because of new German weapons in the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
     
    #7705     Sep 24, 2022
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  6. tweet below.

    Zelensky: Every Russian soldier that surrenders will get 'civilized' treatment.

    my comments:

    Yep. This is very much what Ukraine needs to do at this time. Take advantage of the morale problem and offer safe exit. Maybe invite the Red Cross or some similar third party in to monitor all pow's or their release to third countries.

    I saw in another article the other day that, at the same time, Ukraine made it clear that all soldiers who surrender will still be accountable for any war crimes that they may have been committed. An important point.

    There are currently 20,000 Russian soldiers trapped between the Ukrainian positions and the river in Kherson. They will all be dead within a month to six weeks. They have no place to go. No harm in trying to get many of them to surrender. Not to forget that it would save many Ukrainian lives too. The Russians may all be killed but they will take many Ukrainians with them if they just battle it out to the end. Offer them a free ticket out. If they don't want it, well, the Ukrainians are not running a counseling program.

    It goes without saying that if lots of Russian soldiers start surrendering that the Russians will spread disinformation about how the Ukrainians are killing everyone who surrenders or cutting their balls off or something. That can't be helped. It's what they do. A lot of the Russians know that the Russian military is a bullshiiter too by now.

    Just sayin, make it easy to surrender, where possible. Shoot them if they don't.



    Zelensky: Every Russian soldier that surrenders will get 'civilized' treatment.

     
    #7706     Sep 24, 2022
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  7. I said above:
    (Traditionally North Korea does some kind of dirty deal for food right before the winter begins. Most likely either the Americans or the UN made him a little offer, backchannel. In the past he has fired rockets into the Sea of Japan like a barking dog to get his bone in the form of food shipments. Don't be surprised if - as we get toward winter- a little bit of "relief" shows up in North Korea.)

    Just doing a quick "I told ya so." - see link below. Little Rocket Man being predictable. He wants his yearly food shipment for the winter. He will get it too because he has agreed to not ship weapons to Russia, and that, plus a few rockets into the Sea of Japan, and the UN will toss him his annual bone. It's how they do things in the Worker's Paradise.

    South Korea, Japan: ‘North Korea fires ballistic missile toward sea off its eastern coast’

    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/09/24/689796/North-Korea-fire-ballistic-missile-eastern-coast

     
    #7707     Sep 24, 2022
  8. virtusa

    virtusa

    That's complete nonsense. Hitler was dead and the sanctions even increased against Germany. The country was divided in four pieces,and each piece was controlled by another country. Germany also lost territory, and was demilitarized for a big part. Germany also had to pay a huge amount to other countries for the damage they did.

    So the bad guy as killed (or killed himself) and the sanctions even increased.
    Do you think all sanctions would have been lifted if Hitler would have been killed instead of a suicide? So no loss of territory, no demilitarization, and no financial compensation for the war damage? Keep on dreaming.

    The same can happen in Russia. Inside Russia there are already groups of people who posted a plan to cut Russia in many independent pieces. That map was already posted on internet, but I did not save it unfortunately so I cannot show it. If Russia loses the war it will never be the same anymore in future.
     
    #7708     Sep 25, 2022
  9. Do you actually read English? Try rereading what I wrote, S L O W L Y. Maybe, you know, make an effort to understand it instead of looking for shit to argue about.

    The Germans didn't stop Hitler. The Allied forces actually had to fight their way to Berlin - lose all those men - at which point he committed suicide.

    Unless you can actually understand my point, don't bother answering. More fantasy-based word salad from you would be of no interest whatsoever. I also note the fact that no one has conquered Russia militarily, nor is there any chance of it - which means that no one gets to split anything up, or make any other decisions for them - has utterly failed to enter your brain... unbelievable.

    P.S. I was actually born and grew up in Moscow, so I can claim quite a bit of familiarity with how the average Russian thinks. Unless you've got something other than an uninformed opinion gathered from a bunch of cherry-picked websites that agree with you, you really have nothing of interest to contribute here.
     
    #7709     Sep 25, 2022
  10. virtusa

    virtusa

    That's your problem. You still think like a Russian. But the sanctions will be the result of thinking according to the Western logic, not the Russian one.

    The fact that the Germans didn't stop Hitler didn't change anything about the consequences.
    So whether he was killed or killed himself has no relevance for the outcome. The defeat defines who will punish who, no matter if they took Berlin, now Moscow or any other city.

    I did a lot of business already in the 1970's with several East European countries, I was in Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, East Germany, Bulgaria... And I was also in Kiev when the Maidan revolution started (as I am married for many years with a Ukrainian woman). So I know fairly well how things evolved in the 1970-2022 period and all the changes that happened.
     
    #7710     Sep 25, 2022