Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Most likely, Dmitry has been reassigned to the front in Ukraine.


    Complaints about Russia's chaotic mobilization grow


    In another rare public sign of turmoil at the top, the Russian defence ministry said on Saturday the deputy minister in charge of logistics, four-star General Dmitry Bulgakov, had been replaced "for transfer to another role". It gave no further details.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-chaotic-mobilisation-grow-louder-2022-09-24/
     
    #7691     Sep 24, 2022
  2. virtusa

    virtusa

    World war II showed that it was not like that. Hitler was dead, but Germany still paid a high price after that.
    Germany was split up in four parts (France Britain, USA and Sovjet Union). The decision was made to take away any military capabilities from Germany and divide the country into four zones of Allied occupation.

    So after Putin the same can happen. Dividing the country and taking away any military capabilities from Russia. So no room for the remaining political criminals that were with Putin.
     
    #7692     Sep 24, 2022
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  3. Atlantic

    Atlantic


    russiand soldiers:

    motivation - what's that ?

    training / fighting experience - crappy / zero

    equipment - crap

    afraid - like shit


    ukraine soldiers:

    motivation - you bet

    training - up to date

    equipment - good / very good / state of the art

    afraid - no more
     
    #7693     Sep 24, 2022
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  4. Precisely because Germans didn't take him out beforehand.

    Which is all the more impetus for those same "criminals" (wait... didn't you imply they were all his helpless puppets? How can they be criminals if that's the case?) to act.

    But the Russian scenario is nowhere near that of Germany. No armies are approaching Moscow.
     
    #7694     Sep 24, 2022
  5. Looks like some problems in "forming unit cohesiveness" amongst the new recruits.

    Although I did not look closely. Those soldiers might be the officers.


     
    #7695     Sep 24, 2022
  6. themickey

    themickey

    Sri Lankans describe abuse as Russian captives in Ukraine
    By LORI HINNANT and KRISHAN FRANCIS2 hours ago
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...and-politics-28951a7f0e69abb09e7ccaf0a432f0aa
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    KHARKIV, Ukraine (AP) — A group of Sri Lankans held captive by Russian forces in an agricultural factory in eastern Ukraine said Saturday that they were beaten and abused for months before escaping on foot as the Russians withdrew from the Kharkiv region this month.

    Recounting their ordeal to reporters in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city, one of the seven Sri Lankans said he was shot in the foot; another had his toenail ripped off and was slammed in the head with the butt of a rifle.

    Ukrainian officials described their treatment as torture.

    “Every day we were cleaning toilets and bathrooms,” Dilukshan Robertclive, one of the former captives, said in English. “Some days Russians came and beat our people, our Sri Lanka people.”

    Four of the seven were medical students in the city of Kupiansk and three were working there when Russian forces poured across the border in late February and occupied large swaths of eastern and southern Ukraine.

    The group said they were captured at the first checkpoint out of Kupiansk and then taken to Vovchansk, near the border with Russia, where they were held in the factory with around 20 Ukrainians.

    “They took our passports, other documents, phones, clothes, and locked us up in a room,” said Sharujan Gianeswaran, speaking in Tamil to an Associated Press journalist by phone. “There were also Ukrainian people with us, and they were questioned and sent away in 10 days, 15 days or one month. With us they never spoke, because they could not understand our language.”

    Police said the factory housed a Russian “torture center” — one of 18 in the Kharkiv region.

    “They were bound and blindfolded. After that they were captured and then taken to the city of Vovchansk,” said Serhiy Bolvinov, head of the investigative department of the National Police in Kharkiv.

    Six among the group said they were held in a large upstairs room. The seventh, the only woman, was kept in a dark cell by herself, her companions said. The woman wept silently and did not speak as the group told their story Saturday.

    One man said he was shot in the foot by the Russian captors. Another had a toenail ripped off after the soldiers repeatedly bashed it with the butt of a rifle. The men showed their injuries to journalists.

    “Most of the time we could not understand what they told us and we were beaten for that,” Gianeswaran said.

    It dawned upon the Sri Lankans that the battle lines were shifting only when Russian soldiers ordered them to help load trucks with food and weapons.

    As the last trucks raced away, the group asked fruitlessly for their passports and papers back, knowing that to move around without them would be impossible in a country filled with checkpoints.

    Russian troops captured several cities and towns in northeastern Ukraine’s Kharkiv region early in the war. Ukrainian troops retook the area during a swift counteroffensive earlier this month.

    When the Sri Lankans realized the Russians were gone, on Sept. 10, the group left the factory and started walking toward the city of Kharkiv, having no real idea how to get to the regional capital which had remained in Ukrainian hands.

    “We walked on that road for two days and were exhausted and hungry. We had no food or money to buy food,” Gianeswaran said.

    They slept on the side of the road and walked until they reached a river. But with so many bridges in the region destroyed by one side or the other in months of fighting, they could find no way to cross.

    Finally someone noticed their plight, gave them shelter and called for a ride from security forces.

    Police said the group was picked up in the Chuhuiv area, about 70 kilometers (40 miles) from where they started. They are in Kharkiv now, with no idea of what the future holds. Robertclive said they are psychologically damaged by their months in captivity.

    But the men smiled when asked how they felt when they realized the worst of their ordeal was at an end.

    “They (Ukrainians) have given us food and clothing,” Gianeswaran said. “We thought we were going to die but we are saved and are being well looked after.”
     
    #7696     Sep 24, 2022
  7. Another great idea, Vlad!!!

    Keep em coming!!!





    Half the workers of Russia's biggest airline may be forced to join the army by Vladimir Putin, report says

    Vladimir Putin may force at least half the workers of Russia's biggest airline to join the army, the Kommersant newspaper reported on Friday.

    The Russian president announced a partial military mobilization in a speech on Wednesday, in which he also threatened to use nuclear weapons.

    Staff of at least five airlines, including Aeroflot, received conscription notices within a day of Putin's speech. Sources told the newspaper that between 50% and 80% of Aeroflot's employees could be ordered to the frontlines of the conflict with Ukraine.

    A source close to Aeroflot said that over half the staff at three of the group's airlines, including Rossiya and Pobeda, could be called up, per the report.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/put...ias-biggest-airline-aeroflot-join-army-2022-9

     
    #7697     Sep 24, 2022
  8. Mongolia offering refuge for some of Putin's cannon fodder.

    Good.

    Funny thing is, just a couple weeks ago, the Russians went to Mongolia to participate in war games with them. I guess the bonding did not go that well. China was there too.

    Looks like he will need to double up on the Tartars from Crimea and the kids from Siberia and the Caucuses. Let's see how that goes. Many of them - just as we see with the Mongolians- have sort of wised up to the fact that they are being sent so that middle class kids from the cities do not need to go- as much anyway.

    Also looks like all the men in the occupied territories just found out why Putin has been handing out Russian passports to Ukrainians like candy. Welcome to Russia. And guess what. You are going to be sent back to Ukraine so that should work out for ya.

    Mongolia welcomes Russia’s Mongols fleeing mobilization – World Mongol Federation President

    President of the World Mongol Federation and former president of Mongolia Elbegdorj Tsakhia to Putin: “I’ve met with you on many occasions. You have the power to stop this war right now.”

    He also invited all fleeing conscription to enter Mongolia. Especially those from disproportionately targeted ethnic minorities. “Buryat Mongols, Tuva Mongols and Kalmyk Mongols have suffered a lot,” he said.

    When you win, all people will win, he also said to Ukrainians.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09...pecially-disproportionately-targeted-mongols/



     
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    #7698     Sep 24, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This bet is not going to work out well for Putin.

     
    #7699     Sep 24, 2022
  10. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

    Reuters: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

    As Ukraine’s struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law enforcement agencies.

    Azov uses Nazi-era symbolism and recruits neo-Nazis into its ranks...

    According to Freedom House’s Ukraine project director Matthew Schaaf, “numerous organized radical right-wing groups exist in Ukraine, and while the volunteer battalions may have been officially integrated into state structures, some of them have since spun off political and non-profit structures to implement their vision.” Schaaf noted that “an increase in patriotic discourse supporting Ukraine in its conflict with Russia has coincided with an apparent increase in both public hate speech, sometimes by public officials and magnified by the media, as well as violence towards vulnerable groups such as the LGBT community,” an observation that is supported by a recent Council of Europe study.

    Kiev’s recent efforts to incorporate independent armed groups into its regular armed forces, as well as a continuing national sense of indebtedness to the militias for their defense of the homeland, make addressing the ultranationalist threat considerably more complicated than it is elsewhere. According to Schaaf and the Institute Respublica, Ukrainian extremists are rarely punished for acts of violence. In some cases — such as C14's January attack on a remembrance gathering for two murdered journalists — police actually detain peaceful demonstrators instead.

    There’s no easy way to eradicate the virulent far-right extremism that has been poisoning Ukrainian politics and public life, but without vigorous and immediate efforts to counteract it, it may soon endanger the state itself.
     
    #7700     Sep 24, 2022