Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    You act as if they aren’t actively being murdered by the Russians.
     
    #6271     Jul 26, 2022
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    We know you're on record carrying Israel's water and spouting their propaganda talking points in the Palestine question. I still wouldn't ask our government to sanction you for your retarded beliefs.
     
    #6272     Jul 26, 2022
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Winter will be a time of stalemate in eastern Ukraine. The Russian objective now appears to grab the eastern regions of Ukraine, declare they are part of Russia via fake "referendums" in September, and then hold these regions through the winter. This will require Russia to adopt a defensive posture to hold their lines. We already see this in the photos of pre-constructed concrete bunkers being brought in via train by Russia.

    The Ukraine objective is also pushed by time. They need to mount an offensive to take back the southern Ukraine area (which they deem more important than the east due to ports, etc.) before winter arrives. Once winter arrives Russia will be firmly established with defensive positions in the east and the south. The combination of bad winter weather and defensive obstacles will make it difficult to seize these areas back in the cold months -- coupled with the reality that the wet spring months are not helpful for an offense either.

    Seizing and holding the eastern Ukraine region over the winter and making them part of Russia (like Crimea) will allow Putin to declare a form of victory. If the Russians are shoved out of the eastern Ukraine before winter (very unlikely) then Putin has lost. If Ukraine seizes the south back before winter then this is a sacrifice that Putin will accept while focusing his "victory talking points" on the eastern region which is now "Russian".
     
    #6273     Jul 26, 2022
  4. That's the conventional thinking but we do not know that.

    My impression is that either side will advance when it has the means to do so and that increasingly depends on availability of various weaponry or lack thereof. The trench warfare lines may not move much in the winter. And if Russian troop recruitment and placement in some occupied areas deteriorates in the middle of the winter, I cannot rule out that the Ukrainians might go on the offensive in selected areas. We do not know. We know that lines do not change much where it is all related to trench warfare such as the last eight years in the donbass but there are other fronts and initiatives going on that are not necessarily weather/seasonally impacted.

    But if the Ukrainians, for example, get longer range missiles or planes or more himars in the middle of the winter and want to strike out against the Black Fleet, bridges, etc. they would act on that regardless of the season. Ditto for the Russians.
     
    #6274     Jul 26, 2022
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    While both sides may strike with missiles, planes, drones, artillery, on-ground military probes, etc. in winter --- it is very unlikely that we will see robust offenses that result in significant change in territory held by each army. This is -- of course -- the conventional military thinking -- but the weather tends to support the reality behind the thinking. Unless one side found a way to greatly outnumber the troops available to the other side while also having the equipment available for a ground offensive which greatly outmatches the other army.

    I am just waiting in a few months for Russian soldiers to be writing home begging for winter clothes. Seeing that many came from regions like Siberia this is something that you think their families/friends will be actually able to send them.
     
    #6275     Jul 26, 2022
  6. It is a military conflict and there are casualties on both sides. Russia invaded Ukraine to protect their national interests, this doesn’t justify anything, it’s just the way it is, like any other war conflict, I have made comparisons in the past.
     
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    #6276     Jul 26, 2022
  7. In theory.

    In practice, the sad reality is that many of the kids from Siberia signed up to get 'the big bucks" so that they could buy basics, like warm clothes" for the family back home.

    Also sadly, most of the Ruskie soldiers are meeting their clothing needs the old fashioned way these days, which is to take the boots and coats and helmets from "those soldiers who will not be needing them anymore." Of which, there are any these days in their immediate environs.
     
    #6277     Jul 26, 2022
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Transnistria restates its commitment to independence, merger with Russia.

    Moldova fears potential Russian invasion.

    Ukraine ready to help Moldova de-occupy Transnistria.
     
    #6278     Jul 26, 2022
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #6279     Jul 26, 2022
  10. Of course, the thing that is also different or more extensive now- going into the winter- is the vast number of civlians who have needs for housing and clothing and food. It is not as though the occupiers are going to feed them after destroying everything even in occupied areas. They hardly have two potatoes to rub together for themselves. Maybe a rutabaga they are saving for a special occasion.

    I guess if you have a woodstove you can heat by scrounging all the framing from destroyed housing. Nice. Also nice if you have a house to go with the woodstove. Always a bonus.

    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-villagers-describe-russian-troops-/31960860.html
     
    #6280     Jul 26, 2022