Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.


  1. Sort of. or not. depending on how they are loaded.

    The HIMAR is a launch system. It can also be loaded up with missiles that have a range of 300 miles. So it will make the Ruskies extra twitchy. Not only because of the arrival of the 50 mile range systems but because it means that the launch systems for longer range will already be on site, should the "need" arise.

    As I said a couple days ago, just figure out what the launch distance the Ruskies are using and the Ukrainians can be bound by that without escalating. You figure that they hit the Ukrainian training camp with a cruise missile fired from the Black Sea. So figure 300 miles or so from Kyiv to Odessa and another 100 miles out to see. Yeh, 400 miles sounds good. Give em the longer range missiles.

    Also, you have to notice the qualifying language the Americans/Biden are using "Ukrainians will be required to commit to not firing into Russia/paraphrased". So in other words, you can have longer range missiles on site and they can be used to fire at shorter ranges too. Yeh, Ruskies be twitching.

    Who made up and pulled the rule out of their arse that Russia can fire into Ukraine but Ukraine cannot fire into Russia?
     
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    #5371     Jun 1, 2022
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  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen



    The comments are funny. Russian on-crack troops.
     
    #5372     Jun 1, 2022
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Hardly. Maybe you should read The Art of War.
     
    #5373     Jun 1, 2022
  4. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Finally! Tackleberry goes there. Ha hahaha.

    The art of mall-ninja.
     
    #5374     Jun 1, 2022
  5. virtusa

    virtusa

    It is really a privilege to be a Russian citizen:


    • Soldiers were told that they were going on a “special mission” and that the Ukrainians would welcome them with flowers.
    • To motivate the soldiers a bit they put Cechenian soldiers on the second line to kill the non-motivated Russian ones.
    • The soldiers will receive a big salary($500 a month) when they return from war. But those who die will receive nothing.
    • But for his money they should fight every day. The commanders decide if that day was a fighting day or not. For “free” days the soldiers receive nothing. Soldier complain that for the whole week fighting they only got 2 days as figthing days. The other 5 days they were fighting were considered as non fighting days. Russian logic.
    • But for those who die Russia will pay some money (5 million rouble) to their family as compensation. To receive that money, the family should proof that the soldier is dead. So almost nobody receives any money at all.
    • A wounded soldier can receive till 3 million rouble. So that explains why Russian wounded soldiers are executed by their own superiors. It is called “money management”.
    • To make it a better deal for Putin and his oligarchs, they refuse all bodies of dead Russian soldiers or make them disappear. Because that would proof they are dead and the family should be paid. If there are no body these soldiers are just “missing”, so no money has to be paid.
    • If the families from the soldiers call to some kind of call center to ask where their son is fighting:
    1. The first answer is “He is fighting”,
    2. the second answer is “Ukraine took him prisoner”,
    3. the third answer is “he is missing”,
    4. and the fourth answer is “that they can not give any information on military operations”.
    Vladimir Putin has publicly announced that the families of those who die as a result of the war will receive 41,228 euros in compensation, while those who are wounded will get 24,795 euros. He can promise any amount as he knows that the real payout will probably be less than 10% of what is promised. Life is easy if your soldiers are so stupid as the Russians are.

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    #5375     Jun 1, 2022
  6. virtusa

    virtusa

    No, there are missiles (the latest upgrade) that can be launched that have a range of 300 miles. All depends on which missiles are used.


     
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    #5376     Jun 1, 2022

  7. I also read somewhere that families of soldiers are not allowed to leave the country.

    Most likely there have been too many problems with soldiers defecting in Ukraine and the wife or parents suddenly decide that it would be a great time for them to leave too
     
    #5377     Jun 1, 2022
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    'They are truly bastards'
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06...around-kharkiv-residents-bear-brunt/101111990
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    An estimated 3,000 buildings, many of them residential, have been damaged or destroyed in the Kharkiv area.(Reuters: Ivan Alvarado)
    Kharkiv has been one of the worst-hit cities since Russia invaded Ukraine.

    Local authorities say approximately 700 civilians have been killed and about 3,000 residential buildings have been damaged by the Russian onslaught.

    Russian leaders and officials have repeatedly made the claim they are only targeting military infrastructure in Ukraine. There is no evidence of that in Kharkiv.

    Olga Balahovskaya, who escaped her apartment block after it was hit by a rocket, has nothing but contempt for how the Russians have targeted civilians in Saltivka, the residential area of Kharkiv where she has lived for the past 23 years.

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    Olga Balahovskaya's apartment block in Kharkiv was hit by a Russian strike.(ABC News: Adrian Wilson)
    "To say it straight forward, they are truly bastards," she says.

    "It's not true [that they are targeting military infrastructure]. We don't have anything military in this area, it's a residential area.

    "I have no words to say what they have done here.

    "They destroyed schools, kindergartens, hospitals, shops, what could be dangerous for them here?

    "They have deliberately been destroying everything by shelling Saltivka for 80 days."

    To target civilians is a war crime. Residents of Kharkiv like Olga hope that one day those who ordered and carried out these sustained attacks will pay a price for it.
     
    #5378     Jun 1, 2022
  9. terr

    terr

    Russians worked, diligently, to create a hatred for themselves that will last for 100 years if not more. If that is what they tried for, they succeeded spectacularly. No one can figure out what else they are trying to achieve.
     
    #5379     Jun 1, 2022
  10. themickey

    themickey

    I posted this in another thread, but its worth placing in this thread also.....

    Kremlin TV Names the Country Putin Will Invade Next

    ‘EXPECT US’
    And they don’t stop there, suggesting Britain and the U.S. would be targeted in a looming WWIII.

    Julia Davis
    Published May. 31
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-putin-will-invade-next
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    While some in the West are pondering what kind of a concessions would allow Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin “to save face” in Ukraine, leading Russian lawmakers and top propagandists are advocating smashing the West, which they say is Russia’s ultimate target.

    On the state TV show 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva announced: “I have some unpleasant news... Even though we are methodically destroying the weapons that are being delivered [to Ukraine], but the quantities in which the United States are sending them force us to come up with some global conclusions. Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.

    Vladimir Avatkov, from the Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said: “You mentioned WWIII and the way Americans and Poles are acting on the territory of Ukraine—indeed, we need to remember the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who said that anyone who tries to interfere in the special military operation will pay a heavy price.” Skabeeva interrupted: “We never forget about these words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but a great number of people are already standing in line, trying to interfere in Russia’s special operation on the territory of Ukraine. Turns out, we have to act—but we’re yet to figure out how we can act without conducting a nuclear strike.”

    Russian parliament member Oleg Matveychev weighed in: “If Poland starts any intervention... its current borders will be worthless.” Skabeeva wasn’t satisfied: “I wasn’t talking just about Poland, but mainly about Great Britain and the United States... they’re all lined up.” Avatkov chimed in: “No need to rush, there is a line. Everything in its time!”

    The first in line is apparently Poland, with Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev baselessly claiming on Tuesday that Poland is moving to seize territories in western Ukraine and accusing numerous unnamed countries of “actively working to dismember Ukraine.” Meanwhile, on Russian state TV hosts and pundits routinely refer to Ukraine as “the territory formerly known as Ukraine” and matter-of-factly discuss how many millions of Ukrainians might have to die for Russia to complete its so-called “denazification.” In his recent interview, Russian State Duma Deputy Defense Committee Chairman Vladimir Shamanov, former Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Airborne Troops, admitted that Russia “was built through territorial enlargement” and named Poland as one of Russia’s main adversaries.

    Appearing on the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov expounded on the idea of Russia’s crusade against the Western world: “For us, the special military operation is just the first act, an introduction. The war that is going on right now... it’s not just an economical war and info-war, this war is about our faith. It’s about our right, as the people, to have faith in what we want to believe, to love those we want to love, and to live the way our ancestors would have wanted, on our land and by our birthright.”

    Kartapolov added: “These wars are not the first wars. In the 19th century—Napoleon, in the 20th century—Adolf Aloisovich Hitler, and every time all of Europe came at us. The same thing is happening now... It’s a good thing that a realization is coming, it’s time to stop lying. Stop lying to ourselves, stop lying to our leader, stop lying to our own people. It’s time to be responsible for our words and deeds and to move forward as one—to the goal that has been set by the commander-in-chief.”

    The strategy of justifying such a potential attack against additional adversaries is consistent with the Kremlin’s previous approach with respect to Ukraine: ludicrous claims that the chosen target was about to go on the offensive against the Motherland. The impending conflict against the West is being framed in terms of an existential battle for Russia’s survival.

    Kartapolov claimed, “Today, Europe is a de-facto colony of the United States, the new type of a colony. In the ’90s, we were the same kind of a colony but managed to break free—thanks to our president and the decisions he made... They put everything in a beautiful wrapper, selling it to us under the guise of democracy, freedom of speech and all sorts of other slogans. Their main goal was to usurp our resources, our natural resources, to split Russia up into many vicious countries fighting with one another.”

    The alleged desire to “dismember Russia” is also being ascribed to opposition activists, in order to simultaneously target all perceived enemies, both foreign and domestic. During Monday’s broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, arguments were made to limit the influence of members of the opposition on Russian society—particularly those who still travel abroad. Political scientist Vadim Gigin claimed, “People who are planning to return to Russia... are proposing to divide the country.” Host Vladimir Solovyov added, “They have the lists of undesirables... they’ll be hanging people. What’s scary is that they’re coming back.”

    Shota Gorgadze, a member of the Russian Presidential Human Rights Council proposed that immediately upon their return, opposition activists be criminally charged for their alleged calls to dismember Russia. Agitated, Solovyov complained, “For months we’ve been demanding that criminal cases be open against all of [Alexei] Navalny’s terrorist sect under article 275 [treason].” Gorgadze proposed that anyone speaking out “against the interests of the Russian Federation, especially during this difficult time” be stripped of their Russian citizenship. He added, “If the law says this can’t be done, I don’t see any reason why this law can’t be changed.”

    Urging a more aggressive approach, Solovyov asked, “Are we acting as inert gases, simply taking up only as much room as the West allows? The West is squeezing us and we’re accepting it and adapting to it? When things let up, will we exhale and welcome the air of freedom? No, that won’t work. It’s time to sober up and find our way.”

    Discussing Russia’s confrontation with the collective West during Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”
     
    #5380     Jun 1, 2022