Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. One of the big hurdles ahead too is that when the Ukrainians want to settle out on something, Russia will only agree to it if various sanctions are lifted. That will be a mess. The west keeps saying that it is up to Ukraine to decide when enough is enough or what is right for them and the west will not interfere in that. That's fine I suppose. But it is equally true that is up to the west and not ukraine to decide what sanctions are kept. Putin will not like that and will keep pounding Ukraine even beyond where Ukraine is willing to settle.

    Big decision for Biden on the table right in front of him right now. If he provides long range missiles it definitely escalates. If he does not the Ukrainians will demonize him bigtime saying that Nato let them fight Nato's fight with Ukrainian soldiers and then would not supply them.

    Unfortunately the same crew who brought us the withdrawal in AFG will be formulating the response on this. In other words they will screw it up in some way that people on both sides of the issue can't believe it. I am referring to the decision to provide/not provide missiles which is an American decision. Withdrawal or not on the ground is up to the Ukrainians.
    Last edited: May 27, 2022
    #5311     May 27, 2022
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  2. Bugenhagen


    FFS, I just heard rumour of a sizeable US film crew making a movie in Ukraine.

    They don't even wait six months to dramatise how the war is making a heroic Amercian feel sad and shit.
    #5312     May 27, 2022
  3. Overnight


    How do we know it is not just another Borat movie?
    #5313     May 27, 2022
  4. Bugenhagen


    Because of the producer, not saying who but may as well be Michael Bay, this is going to be some indulgent bullshit.
    #5314     May 27, 2022
  5. Yes, things look grim for the Ukrainians at this juncture.

    Nevertheless. Vlad got himself a mess on his hands.

    Putin's 'Private Army' Troops Fired for 'Refusing' to Fight in Ukraine
    Members of Russia's National Guard, Rosgvardia, have been officially sacked after "refusing" their assignments to participate in Russian President Vladimir Putin's internationally condemned military campaign against Ukraine.

    The Rosgvardia have previously been described as Putin's "private army," but a large group of the national guards' members were fired after they rejected orders to fight in Ukraine. A military court in Russia's southern republic of Kabardino-Balkaria assessed Wednesday that the sacking of 115 servicemembers was justified after they appealed the decision, The Moscow Times reported citing Agence France Press.

    The court decision determined that the troops "arbitrarily" made their decision by "refusing to perform an official assignment," The Guardian reported Friday. The troops, a domestic force separate from the Russian military, reportedly chose to return to their base in Russia instead.
    #5315     May 28, 2022
  6. themickey


    Zelensky says Russian officials powerless to stop Putin; Russia test-fires its latest missile
    May 29, 2022

    Kyiv: Ukrainian presidential adviser and peace talks negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said on Saturday that any agreement with Russia could not be trusted, adding the only way to stop Moscow’s invasion was by force.

    “Any agreement with Russia isn’t worth a broken penny,” Podolyak wrote on the Telegram messaging app. “Is it possible to negotiate with a country that always lies cynically and propagandistically?”

    Debris hangs from a residential building heavily damaged in a Russian bombing in Bakhmut, eastern Ukraine, on Saturday.Credit:

    Russia and Ukraine have blamed each other after peace talks stalled, with the last known face-to-face negotiations on March 29. The Kremlin said earlier this month Ukraine was showing no willingness to continue peace talks, while officials in Kyiv blamed Russia for the lack of progress.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the only person worth talking to was Russian President Vladimir Putin, since he made all the decisions.

    “It doesn’t matter what their foreign minister says. It doesn’t matter that he sends some negotiating group to us ... all these people are nobodies, unfortunately,” he told Dutch television in an interview filmed on Friday.

    Putin says Russian forces are on a special operation to demilitarise Ukraine and rid it of radical anti-Russian nationalists. Ukraine and its allies call that a false pretext.

    “Russia has proved that it is a barbarian country that threatens world security,” Podolyak said. “A barbarian can only be stopped by force.”

    His comments came as the Russian navy on Saturday conducted another test of a prospective hypersonic missile, a demonstration of the military’s long-range strike capability amid the fighting in Ukraine.

    The Defence Ministry said the Admiral Gorshkov frigate of the Northern Fleet in the White Sea launched the Zircon cruise missile in the Barents Sea, successfully hitting a practice target in the White Sea about 1,000 kilometres away.

    Ukrainian presidential adviser and peace talks negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak said on Saturday that any agreement with Russia could not be trusted.Credit:

    The launch was the latest in a series of tests of Zircon, which is set to enter service later this year.

    Putin has said that Zircon is capable of flying at nine times the speed of sound and has a range of 1,000 kilometres. He has emphasised that its deployment will significantly boost the capability of Russia’s military.

    Putin tried to shake European resolve on Saturday to punish his country with sanctions and to keep supplying weapons that have supported Ukraine’s defence.

    The Russian Defence Ministry said Lyman, the second small city to fall to Russia this week, had been “completely liberated” by a joint force of Russian soldiers and Kremlin-backed separatists, who have waged war for eight years in the industrial Donbas region bordering Russia.

    Ukraine’s train system has ferried arms and evacuated citizens through Lyman, a key railway hub in the country’s east. Control of it also would give Russia’s military another foothold in the region; it has bridges for troops and equipment to cross the Siverskiy Donets river, which has so far impeded the Russian advance into the Donbas.

    The Kremlin said Putin held an 80-minute telephone call on Saturday with the leaders of France and Germany in which he warned against the continued transfers of Western weapons to Ukraine and blamed the conflict’s disruption to global food supplies on Western sanctions.

    German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron urged an immediate cease-fire and a withdrawal of Russian troops, according to the chancellor’s spokesperson. Both urged Putin to engage in serious direct negotiations with Zelensky to end the fighting, the spokesperson said.

    Reuters and AP
    #5316     May 28, 2022
  7. Nobert


    #5317     May 29, 2022
  8. terr


    Another Russian colonel eliminated. Listed in the site that keeps track of war criminals "Миротворец". Note: was killed March 25th. Russians never reported it, it only came up incidentally now. Makes you wonder just how many dead are still not reported.

    #5318     May 29, 2022
  9. gwb-trading


    #5319     May 29, 2022
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  10. gwb-trading


    #5320     May 30, 2022