Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. terr

    terr

    Frog, where's China and where's Ukraine? It would be a formality, China is not capable of projecting power like that.

    The two reasons to involve China would be to prevent their veto in the SC and to make the agreement look more solid. But since Russia would veto it anyway, that's not a big deal.
     
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    #4471     May 5, 2022
  2. terr

    terr

    Spotted on Zelenskyy's sleeve yesterday:

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    #4472     May 5, 2022
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  3. Nobert

    Nobert

    With some air support from the new howitzers, they get multiplied by zero, so it's hard to get any.
     
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    #4473     May 5, 2022
  4. Now you are referring to the United Nations. How do those clowns come into the picture? It is not a given that an agreement or treaty between two or more countries needs to involve the UN. Maybe that element was in some of the material you read but I did not see it the conditions listed in your post.

    I will let it go and am open to anything- not that it is for me to decide anyway. But I see no role for China, and no role for the UN. Just problems. Both the UN and China are snakes that I would not let in under the tent for any purpose, easily anyway.

    Alright, enough.
     
    #4474     May 5, 2022
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  6. terr

    terr

    It in fact is their most advanced tank in the field. They also have Armata tanks which are supposedly more advanced but only a few had been built as examples and nowadays with sanctions stopping all tank production, won't be built.

    This war has really been quite an eye-opener on the Russian tank abilities.
     
    #4476     May 5, 2022
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  7. terr

    terr

    Watch some Russian youngsters express their opinion on the army recruitment center

     
    #4477     May 6, 2022
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  8. Nobert

    Nobert


    #russianpeacedefinition
     
    #4478     May 6, 2022
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  10. themickey

    themickey

    Vladimir Putin faces dissent as Russian servicemen challenge illegal war order
    A total of 25 national guard servicemen who report to Vladimir Putin are set to go to court on Thursday over their illegal dismissal after they refused to enter a foreign war zone

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    General Valery Gerasimov (first from left) with Vladimir Putin and Sergei Shoigu at Zapad-2021 military drills (
    Image: Kremlin/east2west news)
    5 May 2022
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-faces-dissent-russian-26882408

    Russian troops headed by Vladimir Putin are set to go to court to challenge an illegal order for them to fight in the war against Ukraine.

    A total of 25 national guards “refuseniks”, who report directly to Putin, are demanding their job back after they were fired for defying commanders’ orders to send them to a foreign war.

    The Vladikavkaz garrison military court is due to start considering their lawsuit on Thursday said lawyer and human rights campaigner Pavel Chikov.

    They aim to prove that their dismissal was “illegal” since it was based on their refusal to enter Ukraine.

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    Human rights activist Pavel Chikov

    The “refuseniks” were ordered to enter Ukraine early on in the war to keep order in Ukrainian cities.

    At the time, the Kremlin believed that victory would be swift and locals would surrender to Russian troops but many died, with the true figure not yet public.

    The case comes at a time when reports of open dissent in Russia are increasing, even among those in uniform.
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    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu addressing top commanders at a Defence Ministry board meeting in Moscow, reportedly held today
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    Hundred of guards from at least 17 cities have sought legal advice and aim to follow in the footsteps of the 25 national guards who have already launched their case.

    The servicemen are challenging Putin’s commander to the North Caucasian District to the National Guard Troops, Lt-Gen Sergey Zakharov.

    Lawyers from a number of other cities and regions are working on more cases, including Krasnodar, Nalchik, Cherkessk, Samara, Moscow region, Veliky Novgorod, Simferopol, Novocherkassk, Vladivostok, Stavropol, Abakan, Pskov, Orenburg, Ulan-Ude, Petersburg, and Smolensk.

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    Lieutenant General Sergey Zakharov, Commander of the North Caucasus District of the National Guard Forces of the Russian Federation

    There's been a number of reports of Putin facing dissent from supporters including hardline senior figures in the military who have been left furious saying he has not gone far enough in the ongoing war.

    According to a report, they blame Putin for the “serious error” of retreating from the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, instead of storming it and are enraged by his decision to concentrate on a more limited war, focusing on the Donbas, instead of the entirety of Ukraine.
     
    #4480     May 6, 2022
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