Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    Kind of a wild narrative developing between Russia and Israel. Russian officials calling Jews nazis and nazis Jews is a little hard to wrap your head around but the antisimetism is wrapped up in anti nazi propaganda. So this might all be a larger propaganda push to gain support full mobilization. However, on its face, none of this makes sense.

    Im sure among the populace, marrying Jews and Nazis into one prototype makes sense though. Propaganda gets deep. Remember when people in America were saying Hillary Clinton eats babies. It’s kind of like that.

     
    #4411     May 3, 2022
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  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Soviet playbook for the parade is to announce purges of Jews / fifth column rather than full war mobilisation? Its gets him the distraction he needs at a much lower cost than scaling up a war he cannot win. He has echoed this language exactly in recent rants.

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    On 19 June 1967, after the end of the Six-Day War in the Middle East, Władysław Gomułka gave a speech in the Congress Hall at the Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw, during the 6th Trade Union Congress. The speech, delivered to a crowd of over 1,500 people, was almost entirely dedicated to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Gomułka insinuated that Israel had covert supporters in Poland, actively involved in “Zionist Jewish circles.” He also used the term “fifth column,” claiming: “We cannot ignore the people who, when facing a threat to world peace and Poland’s security and peaceful operation, take the side of the aggressors, the havoc-wreakers and the imperialists. We do not want to have a fifth column in our country. I urge those who feel that these words are directed at them – regardless of their nationality – to draw appropriate conclusions” (Stenogram wystąpienia Władysława Gomułki na Kongresie Związków Zawodowych 19 czerwca 1967 r., cited after: D. Stola, Kampania antysyjonistyczna w Polsce 1967–1968, Warsaw 2000, p. 274).

    The term “fifth column” was created during the Spanish Civil War of 1936–1939 and refers to the activities of an internal enemy. It was first used by General Emilio Mola in reference to the supporters of nationalists from Madrid, that is the opponents of General Francisco Franco. The term soon gained popularity in other countries. It was used in Poland in 1939 to describe Selbstschutz guerrilla units formed among the German minority, responsible, for instance, for the sabotage action in Bydgoszcz, which resulted in many casualties among Polish soldiers and the civilian population of the town.

    Due to the pressure exerted by the members of the party Politburo and the intervention of Edward Ochab, Chairman of the Council of State, the remarks concerning the “fifth column” were not included in the printed version of the speech published in the press. It remains uncertain whether Gomułka spontaneously used these words or whether he just read from a script written by someone else. There is no doubt, however, that he did not stick to the version of the speech previously agreed on with the Politburo.

    Years later, Ochab thus described the speech in his conversation with Teresa Torańska: “Gomułka’s remarks were a surprise to the members of the Politburo. I later told him that he had no right to form such theses without the consent of the Politburo. He then started to make excuses, explaining that he worked on the speech until the small hours, without any help. Just empty talk” (Edward Ochab, [in] T. Torańska, Oni, Warsaw 2004, p. 98).

    Gomułka’s speech was believed to condone or even call for the Jewish emigration from Poland, with Jews being perceived as covert enemies and the “fifth column.” The First Secretary’s remarks were well received in the military. They aroused nationalist and anti-Semitic sentiments in the Polish society. The speech also triggered a number of purges among the ranks of the ruling party, which started to be carried out in June 1967.
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    https://marzec68.sztetl.org.pl/en/slowo/piata-kolumna/
     
    #4412     May 3, 2022
  3. UsualName

    UsualName

    Maybe. Like I said none of it makes sense. The Russians aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed and they could have just stepped into some shit without any forethought too.

    Either way, the Russians remain master strategists… at destroying Russia.
     
    #4413     May 3, 2022
  4. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Russian state TV is in full Fox news hyperbole mode. Small point being that the wave will also destroy the US & Canada East coast which they omitted. It would also make St Petersburg quite damp.




    Again, 60-70%? of the Russian population and 98%? of the domestic rich are in an area little bigger than Finland which is smaller / similar to the size of the UK, Northern Ireland & the Republic of Ireland.

    https://vividmaps.com/population-density-of-russia/
     
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    #4414     May 3, 2022
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  5. terr

    terr

    Brimstone anti-ship missiles and Stormer anti-aircraft systems have been provided by the UK to Ukraine.
     
    #4415     May 3, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading




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    #4416     May 3, 2022
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  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Howitzers are in theatre…
     
    #4417     May 3, 2022
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  8. Some of them can be tricky and have a learning curve in regard to sighting them. It would take a little while to come up to speed unless there were any trained personnel nearby or on-site. Just as with the missiles. Somehow the Ukrainians come up to speed pretty fast though. They get the missiles one day. The ships go down the next.

    But.......don't get me wrong......there are NO Americans on the ground.

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    #4418     May 3, 2022
  9. Nobert

    Nobert

  10. UsualName

    UsualName

    It’s getting dark in Russia…

     
    #4420     May 4, 2022
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