Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. he wasted a year to understand that daytrading is pointless for wealth creation, vast majority in ET keep pissing against the wind for many years and still trying to prove something.
     
    #3511     Apr 8, 2022
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    #3512     Apr 8, 2022
  3. Funniest shit is when Americans come on here to defend their own mainstream media as if it is an example of what uncensored media is supposed to look like. Grow up and smell the roses already, your way of thinking is constantly being manipulated, just differently than in Russia and China. In America you have Matrix which you are a part of.

    This part of the movie is about you, the blind that aren’t aware that they are blind who are led by the blind who jointly believe that they have democracy, whereas in reality you were given toys to play with so you feel good about your life and the actual truth is often not what you are being spoon fed.

     
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    #3513     Apr 8, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As opposed to Russia where the government shuts down all media outlets which do not strictly push Putin’s talking points. Threatening any reporter who strays with 15 year sentences.
     
    #3514     Apr 8, 2022
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  5. virtusa

    virtusa

    Speaking about democracy and free news:
    democracy.jpg

    Who has the highest chances to form themselves an objective opinion based on reality?
    Who is more censored and manipulated?
    Why does Russia block almost the entire world?
    • Maybe because people would realize what is happening?
    • That it is not a special operation, but a real war.
    • That civilians are not saved from nazism, but raped, tortured and killed by Russian soldiers?
    • That thousands of Russian soldiers died without even knowing they were going to war.
    • That Ukrainians would welcome Russians, not with flowers, but with arms?
    • That the whole story that is created in Russia is fake?
     
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    #3515     Apr 8, 2022
  6. Not Putin’s points, points that support Russian national interests.
     
    #3516     Apr 8, 2022
  7. Are you suggesting that posts you deem as propaganda should not be responded to?

    My responses are based on perceived facts or at least my reasoning. I post my reasoning for all to view and challenge if they want. My ideas may support or denigrate another’s point of view or parts thereof. As so often the case, there are at least some valid points made by a side whose overall position we may not agree with. Again, facts are facts, even if we don’t like the person stating them.

    As far as propaganda is concerned, consider the following elements of propaganda:

    1. The entity initiating the propaganda has an issue they deem important and need either the cooperation or consent by others in some way.

    2. The fact set surrounding the issue is deemed insufficient to sway public or international opinion in the propagandist’s favor.

    3. The propagandist will then often look to justify their position using various emotional triggers to outright lies.

    4. The propagandist will monitor the effectiveness of their campaign through polls, social media comments, and input from within their own organization.

    5. Some entities, such as authoritarian regimes, that engage in propaganda have a poor internal feedback or checks and balances system, often leading to conclusions that are not based on reality. This can lead to policy decisions, including decisions related to foreign affairs, that are counterproductive to them and others on the world stage. Social media can provide valuable feedback to those authoritarian regimes.

    I believe we have a civic duty to post information we believe is true and to challenge information of others that does not seem to be true. It is through these efforts we increase the value of social media as a resource, a resource that can present the ideas of billions of people, based on their own unique experiences, that can have apply to a situation at hand, and potentially help us find a better outcome to a situation than it would otherwise be without such interaction.
     
    #3517     Apr 8, 2022
  8. adhd22

    adhd22

    Professor John Mearsheimer blames NATO expansion. No excuse for Putin but that it would result in war is easy to see.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine

    "I think all the trouble in this case really started in April, 2008, at the NATO Summit in Bucharest, where afterward NATO issued a statement that said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO. The Russians made it unequivocally clear at the time that they viewed this as an existential threat, and they drew a line in the sand."
     
    #3518     Apr 8, 2022
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  9. When USSR collapsed NATO should have been shut down and replaced with a new alliance that would have included Russia, but no, we can’t have that. So NATO remained and expanded against the promises that were given to not do this and now we have Ukraine conflict. Stop pretending that you care about Ukrainian nation, you really don’t give a f…
     
    #3519     Apr 8, 2022
  10. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    All both sides equally bad as captainobvious and the rest always seek refuge in. A reliable percentage always will.
     
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    #3520     Apr 8, 2022