Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    Excuse me again but I made no such suggestion but stated the facts. Putin gave a long winded imperialist speech rambling about America and nazis and nato and Ukraine being part of Russia and a whole bunch of other nonsense. Today it’s biolabs.

    And I get if you start parsing it out and digging into it you might find it complicated but it all designed to persuade YOU and deflect from the fact that he invaded a peaceful and sovereign nation for selfish and imperialist reasons.

    The Russians have lost Eastern Europe from a political perspective. The Eastern Europeans want to join with the west for safety and prosperity reasons. Russia simply cannot offer them anything more than being a vassal state subject of Russia.

    If you want to parse out Putin and weigh all sides as equal have at it but it’s all bullshit. The former bloc states are choosing the western alliance and that is the threat to the Russians. It’s no missiles or armies it’s democracy and freedom. Blue jeans and rock and roll.

    This is more than likely the last run of what is left of the old guard of the USSR.
     
    #2661     Mar 22, 2022
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  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Yeah ok, tell that to the Ukrainians getting bombed day and night. There’s no truth if you’re dead.
     
    #2662     Mar 22, 2022
  3. terr

    terr

    February 2000.
     
    #2663     Mar 22, 2022
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Right, but we're not there. We're observing. And as such, you don't agree that truth should be very important?
     
    #2664     Mar 22, 2022
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    LOL! Now don't I feel sheepish.

    Impressive that you've only managed 3 posts a month for 22 years. That's some restraint!

    Thanks for setting me straight.
     
    #2665     Mar 22, 2022
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Then you have no explanation for Putin’s lengthy list of demands (or should I say ultimatums).

    If this is solely about joining NATO and the EU then why doesn’t Putin state this as his sole requirement then leave.

    Let me give you a hint — it is not his sole demand. But now that Russia is losing Putin is trying to have his propagandist reframe it as his “sole condition” so he can save face when he is forced to withdraw.
     
    #2666     Mar 22, 2022
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    I think what is paramount is getting Russia to stop killing Ukrainians. Russia committed the original sin here and Ukraine is the victim. Murdering someone is wrong but murdering someone in self defense is not. Ukraine using propaganda in pursuit of getting Russia to stop killing Ukrainians is A ok.

    As far as us getting to the truth, that’s the truth. Those video montages and patriotic messages serve Ukrainian defense and Ukraine is right to defend itself.

    Russias propaganda serves their murderous, imperialist offense and they are wrong for it.

    What we pursue is different. I do not believe in the ghost of Kyiv but I also know it serves a purpose. It gives people under attack hope and I am ok with that.
     
    #2667     Mar 22, 2022
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  8. Whoever betrays Putin first, will have the most power in the new Russia.

    The Oligarchs will come to realize this. Then it will be a race.

    #BetrayPutin
     
    #2668     Mar 22, 2022
  9. Nobert

    Nobert

     
    #2669     Mar 22, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Well, its not really murder if its in self defense, but I get your point.

    The video montages aren't the problem. Its saying things that aren't true to elicit a particular response. As such, truth needs to be paramount - especially in times of high propaganda.

    Its ok, we don't have to agree. I respect your opinion.
     
    #2670     Mar 22, 2022