Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Nobert

    Nobert

    Uno rus-verso : escape denied

    You still have to take stairs

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  2. The Ukrainians have issues with Trump for a number of valid reasons- especially in regard to his pro-Putin behavior and mindset.

    Tis interesting though. Trump has stated that the US will participate in security guarantees to Ukraine if a peace deal is reached.

    So if that happens, ironically, Trump become their man, because Trump will enforce it if American interests are on the ground there. And they will be nervous about seeing him go at the end of his term, knowing that Putin is sitting there just waiting for a dem president to get back in office so they can pick up where they left off. You may have to vote for a dem president to get one that matches your belief that Ukraine should be let for Putin to finish off. Good luck with that.

    How do you pro-Trump conservatives feel about Trump getting ready to participate in security guarantees when your whole arguments over the years have been that we should and Trump should just stay out of it. Get ready to process that. I am here to help. Probably Eric and Don will start right in building a Trump tower in Kiev next month. I wonder if Putin thinks Trump would defend that. :cool:
     
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Not to worry, Russia has rejected any type of security guarantee for Ukraine. Putin is demanding the hand over eastern Ukraine with no security guarantees.

    Russia rejects NATO-style security guarantee for Ukraine

    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/t...eeting-ukraine-russia-peace-deal#post-06fb0e9
     

  4. Trump paused meeting to call Putin - reportspublished at 14:37
    14:37BREAKING


    Trump paused the meeting with Zelensky and European leaders to call Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to reports by German and US media.

    Earlier, Trump said he would call Putin after the meeting, and also revealed the pair had communicated indirectly earlier today.

    But several outlets have reported that Trump reached out to the Russian president while negotiations were still ongoing in the White House, citing unnamed sources with knowledge of the talks.

    The White House has not commented on the reported call to Putin, and BBC News hasn't been able to verify that it took place. We will bring you more when we have it.”


    BBC



    Edited: Update

    “I had a very good meeting with distinguished guests, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, of Ukraine, President Emmanuel Macron, of France, President Alexander Stubb, of Finland, Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, of Italy, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, of the United Kingdom, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Friedrich Merz, President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, and Secretary General of NATO, Mark Rutte, in the White House, which ended in a further meeting in the Oval Office. During the meeting we discussed Security Guarantees for Ukraine, which Guarantees would be provided by the various European Countries, with a coordination with the United States of America. Everyone is very happy about the possibility of PEACE for Russia/Ukraine. At the conclusion of the meetings, I called President Putin, and began the arrangements for a meeting, at a location to be determined, between President Putin and President Zelenskyy. After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself. Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years. Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff, are coordinating with Russia and Ukraine. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115052030103944534
     
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Likely calling his buddy to find out if he would "end" the invasion if Zel moved his defenses back further to allow PuPu to make further landgrabs.
     
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  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    There was a report on You Tube previously about this NATO force being inserted into Ukraine. Putin objects to NATO forces occupying Ukraine. Now, Putin has green lighted NATO troops in Ukraine. Reports then, suggest that the so called NATO peacekeepers will be small in number. Say, 20,000. Enough to get the NATO warmongers Starmer, Macron, Merz excited. They can say, see, we are here protecting Ukraine from Russia. Also, I am sure that even though, there would be an article 5 clause, it would also, restrict the circumstances that it can be used. For instance, if the NATO troops decide to launch an attack on Russia on their own, the US probably, will deny article 5 clause because the NATO warmongers started the war. It only applies if Russia attacks Ukraine unprovoked with this peace deal if there is one. If a peace deal is signed with these terms, President Donald Trump will look like a genius and they can then, award him the Nobel Peace Prize because he would have earned it!
     
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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  10. Arnie

    Arnie

    Well, if Putin was smart like fox, he would agree to the security guarantee. There is no fucking way in hell we would back it. And the euro pussies certainly won’t either.

    Google “budapest memorandum”