Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Far-right politics in Ukraine.....
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukraine

    .......Russian president Vladimir Putin used the pretext of "denazification" to launch the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, falsely claiming that the Ukrainian government were neo-Nazis.[55] Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti published an article by Timofey Sergeytsev, "What Russia should do with Ukraine", where he argued that Ukraine and Ukrainian national identity must be wiped out, because he claimed most Ukrainians are at least "passive Nazis".[56][57]

    These allegations of Nazism are widely rejected as untrue and part of a Russian disinformation campaign to justify the invasion, with many pointing out that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is Jewish and had relatives who were victims of the Holocaust.[58] Some of the world's leading historians of Nazism and the Holocaust put out a statement rejecting Putin's claims, which was signed by hundreds of other historians and scholars of the subject. It says:

    "We strongly reject the Russian government's ... equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression. This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it".[59]

    The authors say that Ukraine "has right-wing extremists and violent xenophobic groups" like any country, but "none of this justifies the Russian aggression and the gross mischaracterization of Ukraine".[59] The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum,[60] the US Holocaust Memorial Museum and Yad Vashem condemned Putin's abuse of Holocaust history.[61][62][63] Ukrainian Jews likewise rejected claims of Ukraine being a neo-Nazi state.[64]

    Kremlin claims of Nazism against Ukraine are partly an attempt to drum-up support for the war among Russians, framing it as a continuation of the Soviet Union's "Great Patriotic War" against Nazi Germany, "even as Russia supports extreme-right groups across Europe".[65][66] Experts on disinformation say that portraying Ukrainians as Nazis also helps Russians justify war crimes against them, such as the Bucha massacre.[67] Historian Timothy Snyder said the Russian regime calls Ukrainians "Nazis" to justify genocidal acts against them. He said pro-war Russians use the word "Nazi" to mean "a Ukrainian who refuses to be Russian", and he called Putin's Russia "the world center of fascism" (ruscism).[56]

    Observers commented how Russia has used real issues, such antisemitism in Ukraine and Ukrainian collaboration with Nazi Germany, for its own propaganda in support of Putin's debunked de-Nazification claim,[68] as Ukraine is not a Nazi state, Russia has been supported by the European far-right, and Russian fighters in the war include neo-Nazis,[69] and its de-Nazifications claims and invasion are not true or justified.[68][70] By June 2023, some observers, such as Bellingcat analyst Michael Colborne in a New York Times article and war reporter since 2014 and Kyiv Independent journalist Illya Ponomarenko,[71][72] argued that Ukraine should consider more seriously the media damage produced by the partial negligence in the condemnation of some symbols, which are present in the most radical military communities of both sides in the conflict, including Azov, the Russian Volunteer Corps, Wagner, and the numerous neo-Nazis within the Russian Imperial Movement.[citation needed] According to Colborne, Ukraine must understand that any communication failure can undermine Western support and the country's international credibility.[citation needed] Ponomarenko proposed to tighten punitive measures against individual soldiers who display neo-Nazi symbols but also commented how the presence of these symbols is not unprecedented for Western armies, citing similar cases in the Australian Army and a US Marine Corps during the war in Afghanistan.[73] Russian responses to the Yaroslav Hunka scandal in September 2023 were designed to cause their conduct of war in Ukraine to appear more legitimate,[74][75] with James L. Turk calling the scandal "a gold mine for Russian propagandists",[76] who shared on Twitter an image of a fake Ukrainian postage stamp featuring the SS Galician veteran Hunka.[77
     
    #19651     May 23, 2025
  2. Nobert

    Nobert

    If the true intension was the control of the minerals, then they're still far in green.

    $T32 in minerals, / say half of it, 16, Russian cost of war soon 2T, still at least 10 T in plus, 5 yearly GDP of theirs.
     
    #19652     May 23, 2025
  3. ipatent

    ipatent

  4. kashirin

    kashirin


    are those the same experts who said covid vaccine is safe and effective and prevent transmission?

    oh, you know we have in house expert, ukrainian paid shill gwb nazi trader - let's ask him if ukraine is a nazi state
     
    #19654     May 23, 2025
  5. kashirin

    kashirin

    Ukraine nazi state took civilian hostages in Russia and exchange them for pows

     
    #19655     May 23, 2025
  6. themickey

    themickey

    You and @Resto (a now banned Russian) should get a room together with your scamming.
     
    #19656     May 23, 2025
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    They can include @Master Pu who appears to be missing in action and probably has a job down on the docks servicing the sailors ever since he lost his Russian propaganda job shoveling Kremlin nonsense for five rubles a post.
     
    #19657     May 23, 2025
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  8. kashirin

    kashirin


    but you must be totally proud taking money from ukrainian nazis posting million fakes
     
    #19658     May 23, 2025
  9. Businessman

    Businessman

     
    #19659     May 24, 2025
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It's pretty obvious that Putin plans to attack Europe next -- as he plans to re-create the Soviet Union.

    Russia is offering Ukrainian POWs to ‘switch sides and occupy Europe together’
    https://www.euronews.com/2025/05/23...ws-to-switch-sides-and-occupy-europe-together


    Russia claims that all former Soviet countries belong to Russia -- because the USSR was illegally broken up. This includes Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, etc.


    Moscow floats ‘illegal USSR breakup’ to justify new territorial claims — ISW
    https://english.nv.ua/nation/moscow...raine-s-independence-isw-report-50516330.html
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2025
    #19660     May 24, 2025