Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. elderado

    elderado

  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Womp, womp, Womp… they need to figure it out. It’s not that much of a stretch considering we are moving billions of dollars of lethal aid into Ukraine. Although it is an escalation it’s not exactly extraordinary to the status quo. Maybe we can work something out with a Swiss airfield or something.
     
    #1942     Mar 9, 2022
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

     
    #1943     Mar 9, 2022
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  4. It is/was actually an extremely dicey move on their part- not just a matter of klutzing around.

    The reason being that- there is the argument that nato countries gain the right to be defended by othre nato members but they do not necessarily lose the right to individually assist other free countries- independent of nato. Thus Nato, the US can and are assist Ukraine and other countries without it necessarily being a nato sanctioned or commanded opertion. Obviously, it is a vey delicate game because the Russians, see the ruse every step of the way even when it is not a ruse. Some countries may want to do some things that Nato does not want to get approval from members or commit troops. Fine so far.

    So knowing how delicate that is, the US wakes up one morning and finds out that Poland just dumped their planes or is planning to dump their planes at frigging Ramstein Air Base in Germany, the very epic-center of NATO air command in Europe. Hello.....not looking like an individual action by an individual country. Cmon guys, help out a little.

    That plus the Americans are always trying to keep this a European run operation even though it is well known that the Europeans care less about their own defense than the Americans do. So Poland stepping up to directly aid Ukraine, had a rare but nice european-led look to it. But no, whammo. Just dump the planes on the Americans. So they are responsible if it results in WW2. El wompo.
     
    #1944     Mar 9, 2022
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I have a few friends I'm keeping in touch with who are in executive positions of some russian companies. This is entirely anecdotal, but what surprised me is that two of them mentioned a distinct possibility of a Russian civil war soon. I just had never thought of that possibility.
     
    #1945     Mar 9, 2022
  6. Criminally corrupt politicians? Say it ain't so.
     
    #1946     Mar 9, 2022
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  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

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    #1947     Mar 9, 2022
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So where is your reliable citation that the U.S. had bio-labs in the Ukraine. As explained multiple times -- the U.S. and other countries supported Ukraine Ministry of Health labs to researched disease to prevent outbreaks (similar to the U.S. CDC). Yet we see tons of Russian propagandists pushing the U.S. has military bio-weapon labs in the Ukraine crap -- which is basically a Kremlin talking point.

    See - https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/russia-ukraine.364278/page-194#post-5558763
     
    #1948     Mar 9, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Interesting. So what are the fault lines of this possible "civil war" in Russia. Is it along political fault lines -- supporters of Putin against those who don't support him across the nation. Or is it separatist regions of Russia breaking away because they know now the central government does not have the military ability to stop them.
     
    #1949     Mar 9, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So you're looking for proof that the US co-opted biolabs in the Ukraine in secret?

    Knowing how we have labs all over the world in countries that aren't subject to the same regulations that labs at home are (which is why we have them), this doesn't come at a surprise. So while I do not have empirical proof of such confidentiality, I wouldn't be surprised.

    But the meme was funny.
     
    #1950     Mar 9, 2022