Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    They declared their Independence in 1901. It didn't last thanks to the Soviet Union invading and annexing 2/3rd of the land. Then almost a century of domination till The Wall came down in 1991.
     
    #19231     Mar 13, 2025
  2. mervyn

    mervyn

    no, there was a habsburg family running central europe before ww1. if they declared independence, it was against this family, an non-slavic order.
     
    #19232     Mar 13, 2025
  3. kashirin

    kashirin


    jeez, there was no even term "ukraine" in 1901
    brainworms declared independence in your brain

    why all american nazis are so stupid
     
    #19233     Mar 13, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Zelenskyy outlines directly that Putin is too chicken to call up Trump directly and tell the U.S. President that he does not want a ceasefire, Russia simply wants to go on killing Ukrainians. Putin is merely pushing the typical Russian manipulation and delaying tactics so the Kremlin can continue the war.

    Zelenskyy releases explosive statement about Putin and claims he is preparing to refuse ceasefire
    The Ukrainian President said Putin had used 'highly predictable and manipulative words'
    https://www.ladbible.com/news/world-news/zelenskyy-statement-putin-refuse-ceasefire-990499-20250313

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has released a statement responding to Putin's words on a possible ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.

    It has now been more than three years since Vladimir Putin sent troops into Ukraine in an invasion, and there have been thousands of deaths along with millions of people displaced by the war.

    US and Ukrainian officials met recently to discuss the potential for a 30-day ceasefire, which Ukraine agreed to.

    However, any deal would also need to be agreed to by Russia, and US President Donald Trump said that Russian dictator Putin would face a 'very bad punishment' if he didn't agree.

    Putin's aide Yuri Ushakov appeared to pour cold water on the idea of agreeing the ceasefire deal on the table, and now Zelenskyy has released a statement calling out Putin.

    He wrote: "Right now, we have all heard from Russia Putin’s highly predictable and manipulative words in response to the idea of a ceasefire on the front lines—at this moment he is, in fact, preparing to reject it.

    "Of course, Putin is afraid to tell President Trump directly that he wants to continue this war and keep killing Ukrainians. That’s why, in Moscow, they are surrounding the ceasefire idea with such preconditions that it either fails or gets dragged out for as long as possible."

    "Putin does this often—he doesn’t say ‘no’ outright, but he drags things out and makes reasonable solutions impossible. We see this as yet another round of Russian manipulation."

    "There was a U.S. proposal for an unconditional ceasefire—in the air, at sea, and on the front lines. We in Ukraine accepted this proposal. We have heard from the American side that there is readiness to organize monitoring and verification. And this is absolutely feasible—with American and European capabilities."




    "And during the ceasefire, to prepare answers to all questions about long-term security and a real, lasting peace, and to put a plan to end the war on the table. Ukraine is ready to work as quickly and constructively as possible. We have discussed this with U.S. representatives, and our European partners, as well as all our allies worldwide, are aware of it.

    "We are not setting conditions that complicate the process—Russia is. As we have always said, the only one stalling, the only one being unconstructive, is Russia. They need this war. Putin has stolen years of peace and continues this war day after day.

    "Now is the time to increase pressure on him. Sanctions must be applied—ones that will work. We will continue working with our American and European partners and with everyone in the world who wants peace—to force Russia to end this war."
     
    #19234     Mar 13, 2025
  5. kashirin

    kashirin

    Yeah nazis losing badly and begging for unconditional ceasefire

    now they will be destroyed and then ceasefire

     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2025
    #19235     Mar 13, 2025
  6. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    #19236     Mar 14, 2025
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  7. ipatent

    ipatent

  8. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Yeah he's just regurgitating Russian propaganda:

    “Reports of the alleged ‘encirclement’ of Ukrainian units by the enemy in the Kursk region are false and fabricated by the russians for political manipulation and to exert pressure on Ukraine and its partners.
    The situation has remained largely unchanged over the past day. Combat operations within the operational zone of the ‘Kursk’ group of forces are ongoing.
    Units of the Defense Forces of Ukraine have successfully regrouped, withdrawn to more advantageous defensive positions, and are executing their assigned tasks within the Kursk region. Our soldiers are effectively repelling enemy offensive actions and inflicting significant fire damage using all available weapon systems.
    Since the beginning of the current day, 13 combat clashes have taken place in the Kursk direction. There is no threat of encirclement of our units.”
     
    #19238     Mar 14, 2025
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Noting that the Ukainian troops in Kursk can easily just retreat back into Ukraine if they so desired.
     
    #19239     Mar 14, 2025
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    As usual, Trump's claims are laughable.

    Ukraine denies Trump claims that ‘thousands’ of its troops are surrounded
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...e-peace-ceasefire-zelensky-putin-latest-news/
     
    #19240     Mar 14, 2025