Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Maybe I'm an old-school leftist, pro-labor AND anti-imperialist. Now conservatives have apparently taken those two values. Dunno, too far outside my interests to really think on. Only reason I'm really involved at all is because I oppose what capitalism is doing to the biosphere, and I see NATO as simply capitalism's "muscle". That's not to say that Russia's economy is not also destroying non-human Life, but I don't live in Russia.
     
    #18931     Feb 26, 2025
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  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's be very clear. Putin is the aggressor in the Ukraine war. His attack has nothing to do with NATO expansion. The NATO expansion Russian-talking point is just one in a string of fabrications from the Kremlin including the lie that Ukraine was ruled by Nazis. None of the Russian fabrications providing excuses for the brutal invasion are true.

    The intent of Putin's attack on Ukraine is very clear. His vision is to re-unite the Soviet Union by seizing all the former Warsaw Pact countries -- because he effectively believes they should be part of the Russian empire. Coupled with seizing their wealth and natural resources to make Putin's band of oligarchs wealthy.

    Russian Empire Ambitions: ‘Next Will Be Warsaw Pact Countries’ – Spy Chief Says
    According to Ukraine’s military intel chief, Russia plans to create an empire modeled on the USSR, with Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Bulgaria as its next targets.
    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47767
     
    #18932     Feb 26, 2025
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #18933     Feb 26, 2025
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  4. Unless I'm mistaken both Finland and Ukraine have democratically elected governments.
     
    #18934     Feb 26, 2025
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    What's very clear is that you and I continue to disagree on this.
    :)
     
    #18935     Feb 26, 2025
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  6. Ricter

    Ricter

    Is our own government representing the working class very well?
     
    #18936     Feb 26, 2025
  7. No,but unlike Russia the people does put its leaders into power.
     
    #18937     Feb 26, 2025
  8. He's right though imo.If NATO was the real reason Finland in NATO would have been unacceptable.
     
    #18938     Feb 26, 2025
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    I was raised in a US military family, and I was in the US military. I'm very familiar with the "my country right or wrong" sentiment.
     
    #18939     Feb 26, 2025
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Trump Trade has turned into Trump Traitor.
     
    #18940     Feb 26, 2025