Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Russia's economy sucks.
     
    #18821     Feb 15, 2025
  2. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Russia invaded Ukraine stupid.
     
    #18822     Feb 15, 2025
  3. kashirin

    kashirin

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    #18823     Feb 15, 2025
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    There are no onlyfans content creators in my family. There are however numerous STEM graduates doing well in business, one of which is exceptional by any standard.
     
    #18824     Feb 16, 2025
  5. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    @Nobert https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...dent-volodymyr-zelenskyy-interview-rcna192389

    KRISTEN WELKER:
    Is he capable of negotiating in good faith? Is Putin capable of negotiating in good faith?

    PRES. VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY:
    No. No, and it's not about good faith. No, no, no, no. No. No. No, no. Yes, you just can't block
    his motivation to put him in such strong circumstances when he can't begin the new invasion,
    re-invasion. But he wants. You'll see. Everybody will see. He will try to begin something new. By
    the way, I said it today. I'm not sure that only about Ukraine we are speaking. He is thinking not
    only about Ukraine. For example, now we have – and we shared it with intelligence of our
    partners – now we see how he's preparing to train 150,000 people mostly on the territory of
    Belarus, to show it for the world that it is just training, that usually he is doing the same. Usually.
    But it's not truth. From such point, he begin the occupation three years ago. Full-scale war he
    began from some symbolic trainings and et cetera. But really, really --

    PRES. VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY [TRANSLATED]:
    He conducted military training exercises, he said that these are exercises that are always
    ongoing on Belarus territories, that they are a allied state with Belarus and that they do regular
    business. But he started the invasion, and the missiles, and the first night flew from the Belarus,
    and the invasion came from Belarus. We know for sure that he is preparing that from the
    territory of Belarus this year. It can happen in summer, maybe in the beginning, maybe in the
    end of summer. I do not know when he prepares it. But it will happen. And at that moment,
    knowing that he did not succeed in occupying us, we do not know where he will go. There are
    risks that this can be Poland and Lithuania because we believe – we believe that Putin will wage
    war against NATO. That is why I told you that, "What is he waiting for?" For a weakening of
    NATO by, for instance, policy of the United States of America, for example, that the United
    States of America will think to take its military from Europe. Yes, Putin thinks of that. But I will
    believe that the United States will not take its forces, its contingents from Europe because that
    will severely weaken NATO and the European continent. Putin definitely counts on that. And the
    fact that we receive information that he will think of the invasion against former Soviet republics.
    And forgive me, but today these are NATO countries.

    KRISTEN WELKER:
    Just to be very clear, you are saying you have actual intelligence that President Putin is
    planning to attack NATO countries?
    PRES. VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY:

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    No. We have intelligence, we have documents that they are preparing trained mission of a big
    number of soldiers on the, on the territory of Belarus. And we just sharing that there is a high
    risk that he can do the same. Maybe not. God bless not. And maybe before it, President Trump
    and the allies will stop him. Yes, but anyway, I think that we have to prepare, yes, to prevent it,
    not to be, not to have such surprises that he will come back like it was three years ago with
    invasion to Ukraine. That is my point. And that's not my point of view. That is our intelligence
    understanding.
     
    #18825     Feb 17, 2025
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  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    The longer Ukraine and his rah rah boys of the NATO warmongering class fight, the less territory Ukraine will have left. Russia is now steamrolling the poor Ukrainian soldiers forced to fight and die needlessly. As for the Ukraine minerals, most of it is located in the Donbass and Luhansk areas. President Donald Trump has to deal with Vladimir Putin because those territories are now Russian. US has to investigate and audit the $250 billion in aid to Ukraine. Zelensky claims he does not know where the $200 billion went. Let Elon Musk investigate him.
     
    #18826     Feb 17, 2025
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    US-Russia talks aimed at ending war in Ukraine set to begin. Naturally, Ukraine is not invited because that's none of their business.

    Ukraine not invited to US-Russia peace talks, source tells BBC
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm292319gr2o
     
    #18827     Feb 17, 2025
  8. I see the point that Ukraine has not been included and there could or could not be some merit to that. I don't know. It seems to be based on the idea that the Americans and others are meeting with the Ruskies in Saudi Arabia or some place without the Ukrainians so therefore there are peace talks without the Ukrainians.

    Not sure yet. There is also the argument that the Americans and Europeans have been meeting non-stop with the Ukrainians for years and discussing how to end the war. So now meetings with the Russians are occurring. I don't consider that to be non-inclusion of the Ukrainians - yet anyways. That's just basic shuttle diplomacy.
     
    #18828     Feb 17, 2025
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    I can understand the U.S. having side discussions with Russia in a third country location regarding a possible peace agreement.

    What the Trump administration did is make big noise about having a peace summit in Saudi Arabia where they would sit down Russia and Ukraine at a table without any European nations and arrive at a peace agreement. Then the Trump administration made big noise about Ukraine refusing an invitation to the summit. Ukraine responded by saying "we never got an invitation". Now other countries are confirming that Trump never invited Ukraine to the summit -- despite his administration's earlier claims.
     
    #18829     Feb 17, 2025
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  10. Yeh. I am not the right one to defend Trump and company on this.

    Trump has always touted that he would end the war immediately and his plan always looked like just calling Putin up and finding out what he wants and then doing that. My conservative friends sometimes hate me for that. But that is where I stand. I don't like it and I am not impressed.
     
    #18830     Feb 17, 2025
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