Russia & Ukraine

kashirin · Feb 12, 2025

gwb-trading said:
Trump and TV commentator Hegseth are nothing more than Putin puppets. A peace proposal that lets Russia seize large portions of Ukraine and strips Ukraine of any future protection is not going to be accepted by the European community. If the U.S. will not step up to fund and arm Ukraine then the European countries will do it themselves -- since they know they are the next targets of Putin's aggression. Policies of appeasement never work.

Pete Hegseth Gives Russia Alarming Win on Ukraine War
Donald Trump’s defense secretary just ceded two major points to Russian President Vladimir Putin
https://newrepublic.com/post/191444/pete-hegseth-russia-win-ukraine-nato

The Trump administration’s Ukraine policy is off to a poor start.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is visiting Europe, and met with the Ukraine Defense Contact Group Wednesday in London, immediately telling U.S. allies that liberating all of Russia’s occupied Ukrainian territory “is an unrealistic objective.”

Then it got even worse, with Hegseth telling the alliance of 57 countries, including all 32 members of NATO, that “the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

“Instead, any security guarantee must be backed by capable European and non-European troops,” Hegseth added.

Hegseth seems to have given up two main points to Russian President Vladimir Putin, including a key piece of leverage in future negotiations to end the war between Ukraine and Russia. One of Putin’s major complaints about Ukraine has been the prospect of the country joining NATO along with the rest of Eastern Europe.

Coupled with Donald Trump’s comments on the release of American Marc Fogel from a Russian prison Tuesday, where he claimed “we were treated very nicely by Russia,” Hegseth’s remarks suggest the new administration will prioritize better relations with Putin over defending Ukrainian sovereignty. The deal to secure Fogel’s release raises questions too, as a suspected Russian cybercrime kingpin was part of the swap.

While campaigning for president, Trump boasted that he could end the war in Ukraine within “24 hours.” Shortly after Trump’s election, Russia shot down that idea, and even boosted its troop numbers days later. The president’s choice for special envoy to Ukraine and Russia, Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, has in the past suggested withholding aid for Ukraine in order to force negotiations with Russia, something Trump did just days into his presidency.

In the past few weeks, Trump has said he will use tariffs as leverage against Russia and shaken down Ukraine for its natural resources in exchange for continued support. All of this doesn’t bode well for the future of Ukraine, which seeks not only to end Russian occupation of its land but also better relations with the U.S. and Europe instead of a subservient relationship with Russia. Trump seems more concerned with keeping Putin happy and getting a payoff.
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kashirin · Feb 12, 2025

I would really pay to see faces of gwb nazi trading and sweden nazi when Trump visits Moscow on May 9

Anyway so many opportunities for them to get multiple strokes before then

Tomorrow in Munich Tulsi will hit Zelenski balls really hard

I wonder if he even gets back to Ukraine or ask asylum in Estonia

gwb-trading · Feb 12, 2025

"Putin will be removed, next comes disorders and the dismemberment of Russia" – Kremlin propagandist

Snuskpelle · Feb 13, 2025

Snuskpelle · Feb 13, 2025

Steel mill doing 20% of the production in Russia bombed tonight: https://kyivindependent.com/russias...-raid-largest-steel-mill-reportedly-targeted/

Tsing Tao · Feb 13, 2025

themickey said:
Imo, Trump will gain by Putin granting him realestate in Moscow.
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LOL...ok.

Tsing Tao · Feb 13, 2025

gwb-trading said:
Trump and TV commentator Hegseth are nothing more than Putin puppets. A peace proposal that lets Russia seize large portions of Ukraine and strips Ukraine of any future protection is not going to be accepted by the European community. If the U.S. will not step up to fund and arm Ukraine then the European countries will do it themselves -- since they know they are the next targets of Putin's aggression. Policies of appeasement never work.

Pete Hegseth Gives Russia Alarming Win on Ukraine War
Donald Trump’s defense secretary just ceded two major points to Russian President Vladimir Putin
https://newrepublic.com/post/191444/pete-hegseth-russia-win-ukraine-nato

The Trump administration’s Ukraine policy is off to a poor start.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is visiting Europe, and met with the Ukraine Defense Contact Group Wednesday in London, immediately telling U.S. allies that liberating all of Russia’s occupied Ukrainian territory “is an unrealistic objective.”

Then it got even worse, with Hegseth telling the alliance of 57 countries, including all 32 members of NATO, that “the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement.

“Instead, any security guarantee must be backed by capable European and non-European troops,” Hegseth added.

Hegseth seems to have given up two main points to Russian President Vladimir Putin, including a key piece of leverage in future negotiations to end the war between Ukraine and Russia. One of Putin’s major complaints about Ukraine has been the prospect of the country joining NATO along with the rest of Eastern Europe.

Coupled with Donald Trump’s comments on the release of American Marc Fogel from a Russian prison Tuesday, where he claimed “we were treated very nicely by Russia,” Hegseth’s remarks suggest the new administration will prioritize better relations with Putin over defending Ukrainian sovereignty. The deal to secure Fogel’s release raises questions too, as a suspected Russian cybercrime kingpin was part of the swap.

While campaigning for president, Trump boasted that he could end the war in Ukraine within “24 hours.” Shortly after Trump’s election, Russia shot down that idea, and even boosted its troop numbers days later. The president’s choice for special envoy to Ukraine and Russia, Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, has in the past suggested withholding aid for Ukraine in order to force negotiations with Russia, something Trump did just days into his presidency.

In the past few weeks, Trump has said he will use tariffs as leverage against Russia and shaken down Ukraine for its natural resources in exchange for continued support. All of this doesn’t bode well for the future of Ukraine, which seeks not only to end Russian occupation of its land but also better relations with the U.S. and Europe instead of a subservient relationship with Russia. Trump seems more concerned with keeping Putin happy and getting a payoff.
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NPCs who told us Russia would be financially bankrupt by now and split into multiple countries are mad that they were wrong, and that sending millions into the meat grinders wasn't the way to accomplish peace.

Frederick Foresight · Feb 13, 2025

gwb-trading said:
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is visiting Europe, and met with the Ukraine Defense Contact Group Wednesday in London, immediately telling U.S. allies that liberating all of Russia’s occupied Ukrainian territory “is an unrealistic objective.”
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Hegseth is either a pushover or a Putin pawn.

Picture this scenario. Trump is still living in his Trump Plaza triplex. A home invasion occurs at his premises, and the invaders become squatters. Enter Hegseth, who studies the matter and concludes that Trump maintaining all three floors of his triplex apartment is an "unrealistic objective."

Idiot!

Snuskpelle · Feb 13, 2025

Tsing Tao said:
First of all, it's always about Trump's ego. Let's not forget that.

Second, in no time at all, the Ukraine is going to run out of money, and they'll be throwing rocks. Oh, sure, the EU will "step in" and help out for about 16 seconds until they realize it's not a fight they can pick up, and their populace won't like it anyway. Nah, it's over but the crying right now. Watch what happens when Trump removes sanctions on Russia (that never really did what they were supposed to anyway), and Russia gets a cash flow.
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Lol you can't have it both ways. At the extremes, either the sanctions did what they were supposed to, and removing them will therefore have an impact, or they didn't do anything and removing them has no impact.

As for running out of money, that's your bias speaking. We have absolutely no intent of letting Russia rape Europe. https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3li34buhg4k2b

The UK, Poland, and the Nordics/Baltics alone together have 4x Russia's GDP - before the recent North-Koreanization/Sovjetization of the Russian economy.

Trade requires having something other countries want. Clearly, the world does want Russia's natural resources, and a few countries stuck in their propaganda bubble might want their shitty military hardware. There's little else they produce of value, and it's on a decline when everything has been re-routed to support the military effort.

So yeah, loosening sanctions will have an impact in my estimation, but it won't restore Russia's economy to former glory either.

Tsing Tao · Feb 13, 2025

Snuskpelle said:
Lol you can't have it both ways. At the extremes, either the sanctions did what they were supposed to, and removing them will therefore have an impact, or they didn't do anything and removing them has no impact.

As for running out of money, that's your bias speaking. We have absolutely no intent of letting Russia rape Europe. https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3li34buhg4k2b

The UK, Poland, and the Nordics/Baltics alone together have 4x Russia's GDP - before the recent North-Koreanization/Sovjetization of the Russian economy.

Trade requires having something other countries want. Clearly, the world does want Russia's natural resources, and a few countries stuck in their propaganda bubble might want their shitty military hardware. There's little else they produce of value, and it's on a decline when everything has been re-routed to support the military effort.

So yeah, loosening sanctions will have an impact in my estimation, but it won't restore Russia's economy to former glory either.
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I never said it would restore them to their former "glory", whatever that even means. But we shall see how long Europe's "We're coming to the rescue" works out. I'm sure one of us will be back in this thread to talk about it to the other.