Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. ph1l

    ph1l

    In other news, Germany and the Soviet Union were forced to send troops in to Poland in 1939.;)
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-issues-school-textbook-saying-155054699.html
     
    #18701     Jan 27, 2025
  2. kashirin

    kashirin


    What's more interesting how Poland and Germany moved their troops in Czechoslovakia just before that in 1938 when no other but UK, France, Germany and Italy signed Munich agreement to partition Czechoslovakia

    remember that? or have some sort of partial amnesia?
     
    #18702     Jan 29, 2025
  3. Nobert

    Nobert

    #4 refinery by size, 5km in length, smoking incident



    Screenshot_20250129_174741_Samsung Internet.jpg
     
    #18703     Jan 29, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #18704     Jan 29, 2025
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  5. Yeh. that looks like a smoking incident.

    Could also be a bird-strike, but looks like smoking incident to me.

    :cool:
     
    #18705     Jan 29, 2025
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  6. ph1l

    ph1l

    Czechoslovakia took the area by force in 1919, so it isn't surprising Poland wanted it back.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Czechoslovak_border_conflicts
     
    #18706     Jan 29, 2025
  7. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Finnish "steel eagle" drone (actually a massively extended range upgrade) unveiled but already tested in action for Ukraine's army; takes out a football field full of infantry with 3000 steel or tungsten bullets, obviously purposed for countering Russian/North Korean meat waves (also works on light vehicles/buildings and I presume parked aircraft):
    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3954181-finland-develops-steel-eagle-drone-for-ukraine.html
    https://www-iltalehti-fi.translate....l=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    Ukraine takes out important targets daily through its own cruise missiles and drones now: https://united24media.com/war-in-uk...r-shift-in-drone-and-missile-development-5398
     
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    #18707     Jan 29, 2025
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  8. kashirin

    kashirin

    it was internationally recognized Czechoslovak territory

    Basically Poland participated in illegal partitioning of other country

    and then Poland was partitioned by ukraine in 1939 which got polish land and never wanted to return it

    so we now have basically to aggressors - Poland and Ukraine and it was all enabled by UK, France and Italy

    Don't forget Ukraine also got illegal territories from Romania and Hungry
    And of course I wouldn't talk about half of the Ukraine which was given by communist to Ukraine and taken from russia which was obviously also illegal

    Basically Ukraine is illegal country which shouldn't exist
     
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    #18708     Jan 29, 2025
  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan


    Our future god says you are FOS.

    "This kind of argumentation is full of historical oversimplifications, nationalist bias, and selective framing. Let's break it down.

    1. Cieszyn Silesia in 1919 and 1938
    Yes, Czechoslovakia did take control of contested areas in 1919 during the Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts. But these areas were disputed, not unequivocally Polish or Czechoslovak. The Paris Peace Conference ruled in favor of Czechoslovakia in 1920, meaning the region was internationally recognized as theirs. However, Poland, under opportunistic circumstances, took it back in 1938 after the Munich Agreement.

    Saying Poland "illegally partitioned" Czechoslovakia is misleading because:

    • The Munich Agreement (1938) itself was orchestrated by the UK, France, Italy, and Nazi Germany, which dismantled Czechoslovakia.
    • Poland took advantage of this, reclaiming the Zaolzie region, but it was a minor territorial gain compared to what Germany and Hungary seized.
    • Poland's actions were opportunistic but not comparable to Nazi or Soviet aggression.
    2. Soviet Seizure of Eastern Poland (1939)
    The USSR took Eastern Poland in 1939 under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. These territories (Western Ukraine and Western Belarus) were incorporated into the Soviet Union and are now part of independent Ukraine and Belarus.

    Framing this as "Ukraine partitioning Poland" is misleading:

    • Ukraine wasn’t an independent actor in 1939; it was part of the Soviet Union.
    • These territorial shifts were imposed by Stalin, not a decision made by Ukrainians.
    • After the collapse of the USSR, these areas remained within Ukraine based on international agreements.
    3. Ukraine and Territorial "Illegality"
    • The idea that Ukraine “illegally” received land from Romania and Hungary is a Russian nationalist talking point.
    • The post-WWII borders were settled by international treaties, recognized by all major powers.
    • Saying Ukraine is "illegal" implies that many modern states with adjusted borders (e.g., Poland, Germany, even Italy) shouldn’t exist either.
    4. Who Enabled What?
    Blaming the UK, France, and Italy for "enabling" Poland and Ukraine ignores the real enablers of WWII:

    • The Soviet-Nazi Pact in 1939 (which allowed Germany to invade Poland).
    • The appeasement policy toward Hitler, especially from the UK and France.
    Saying Poland and Ukraine were the "two aggressors" while ignoring Germany and the USSR is just propaganda.

    Conclusion
    Kaka’s argument is not historical analysis but an emotional nationalist rant, full of cherry-picking and distortions. If one applies their logic consistently, almost every European country would be “illegal” due to past border changes.
    "
     
    #18709     Jan 29, 2025
  10. kashirin

    kashirin


    Russia recognizes post ww2 borders. USSR collapse was illegal coup according to Russia

    That means Ukraine existence still illegal no matter how you spin it
     
    #18710     Jan 30, 2025