Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Something new for a media to sensationalize for hungry sheeple.
     
    #18641     Jan 23, 2025
  2. themickey

    themickey

    The West spy on Russia? Ooooohhh nooooooo.
     
    #18642     Jan 23, 2025
  3. themickey

    themickey

    United States intelligence operations abroad
    The United States is widely considered to have one of the most extensive and sophisticated intelligence network of any nation in the world, with organizations including the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, amongst others. It has conducted numerous espionage operations against foreign countries, including both allies and rivals. Its operations have included the use of industrial espionage, cyber espionage. and mass surveillance.

    Many of these operations have generated public criticism as being unethical; examples include the overthrow of foreign governments, nonconsensual human experiments, extraordinary rendition, torture, targeted killings, assassinations, and the funding and training of militants who would go on to kill civilians and non-combatants. Through a combination of hacking and secret court orders against American technology companies, the United States has also employed mass surveillance of ordinary individuals, both American and foreign nationals alike..........

    WIKI

    LMAO :)
    Ps: Don't even start on the Israeli spy industry network or 5 Eyes.
     
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    #18643     Jan 23, 2025
  4. I will offer up a caution for Putin that I have written about a couple times before.

    Regular viewers know that I am opposed to Putin's adventurism and would contain him but do not feel that Trump is obligated to undo all that Putin accomplished under Biden. Further, even though the Russians and the Russian army are a complete clown show, Ukraine has always been and still is in a David and Goliath scenario. In addition, as discussed, a win for Trump is a win for Putin because Trump loves Putin or admires his strength anyway, and there is bad blood between Trump and Zelensky for well-known reasons.

    Having said all that, I caution Putin again to watch his arse with Trump. What I said before and am repeating again today for obvious reasons, is that Trump has promised to end the war on day one. And if he does not (I don't think he did, did he?) his opponents and the media will humiliate him day in and day out as the weeks go by and the war is still raging. PUTIN NEEDS TO BE DAMN SURE THAT RESISTANCE AND NON-COOPERATION ON HIS PART IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE WAR NOT ENDING OR TRUMP WILL TURN ON HIM BIGTIME. DO NOT HUMILIATE THE ORANGE MAN. RULE NUMBER ONE- DO NOT HUMILIATE THE ORANGE MAN.

    When people in the media start quipping about this being Day 50 of Trump's ending the war on Day 1, that is not going to go well. For either Trump or Putin if Putin is not cooperating.

    Watch your arse Vlad. We have seen good love go bad with hundreds of people who Trump "loved" until he didn't.

    I will leave it there but, trust me, the issue will not go away anytime soon and it will be right in Trump's face bigtime.

    Putin can easily get a deal where he gets to keep the invaded land that he controls now. And he can get a deal that keeps Ukraine from joining Nato. But he wants assurances that Ukraine will be totally demilitarized. Good luck with that.

    If Putin wants to find out what sanctions would look like under Trump versus under Biden he might very well get a chance. SOON. Now, some will argue that this just drives him further into Iran's and China's camp. But no. Iran is down and out and will not fuck with Trump as they did with Biden. And China fears sanctions from Trump if they resupply Russia. In case anyone has not noticed, the Biden days are over. Believe me, Iran and China have noticed.

    Watch your arse, Vlad. Take your three quarters of the loaf of bread and call it a day. And Ukraine needs to take its three quarters of the country which Putin wanted and call it a day.
     
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    #18644     Jan 23, 2025
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  5. Not really in agreement with Bannon here, although the risk of it going on far past Trump's alleged Day 1 ending is real.

    First of all, we had troops on the ground in Vietnam and that was the major quagmire. We aren't going down that road with Trump. Trump properly understands that he can damage either side fairly effectively and bring them to the table without any U.S. troop involvement and u.s. troops are not even up for discussion.

    Second of all, the U.S. was committed to having one side rather than the other win and Trump does not have that commitment in Ukraine so there are limits as to how embedded he will get. Europe may want to put some troops there as part of peacekeeping, demilitarized zone, whatever. No to U.S. troops. Our troops are properly going to our border. What a concept.


    Ukraine risks being ‘Trump’s Vietnam,’ says Steve Bannon

    https://www.politico.eu/article/ukr...-vietnam-steve-bannon-richard-nixon-war-room/
     
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    #18645     Jan 23, 2025
  6. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    #18646     Jan 23, 2025
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  7. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    That guy is just simping for Putin. Literally no overlap. A) US is supporting the motivated side here. B) No troops and no dumb hands tied behind back counter-guerilla warfare. C). Russia is at breaking point already.

    The far more accurate comparison is that this is Russia's Vietnam but worse.
     
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    #18647     Jan 23, 2025
  8. smallfil

    smallfil

    US should cut off all aid to Ukraine immediately. Zelensky has the audacity to bash President Donald Trump. The clown that he is, his days are numbered. Without US aid, this war ends sooner. Zelensky needs to be arrested and tried for all his crimes against Ukrainian citizens and US taxpayers. Any ill gotten wealth should be seized by the US and returned to US coffers.
     
    #18648     Jan 23, 2025
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #18649     Jan 23, 2025
  10. kashirin

    kashirin

     
    #18650     Jan 23, 2025