Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. smallfil

    smallfil

    President Donald Trump knows he has to cut Ukraine funding to get Zelensky to the negotiating table. Russia is not going to give back those territories it has taken. They did that in 2014 in Ukraine and NATO just re-armed Ukraine for the 2nd try at defeating Russia. Russia will not accept NATO troops in Ukraine. That is just the starting point. Ukraine losing territory daily. Russia can fight another 2 years. Ukraine will not survive another 2 years even with NATO weapons. And this war and that of the Israel-Hamas war is affecting supply chains, raising inflation thru the roof for everyone. Joe Biden's oil sanctions just spiked oil prices. Russia will make more monies even if it sold less oil. Another genius move by Joe Biden.
     
    #18621     Jan 18, 2025
  2. Not going to replay some of this but don't want your comments to me to somehow leave a record that I have argued against those points. I have not. Russia is not going to give up its occupied territory. And Ukaine is not going to be a NATO member anytime in the near or midrange future.

    Refer to some of my counter-arguments to GWB'S position.

    What I have said in regard to Trump, is that I do not hold him responsible for unwinding whatever Biden invited/allowed. That egg cannot be unscrambled at this point. I do hold him responsible for not allowing Russia to advance just because he and Putin are on good terms and he is pissed off at Zelenky. I think Keith Kellogg is convincing him that he cannot settle that war just based on his love and eagerness to please Putin and eagerness to score a win by settling the war immediately just by finding out what Putin wants. There needs to be security guarantees for Ukraine, ideally via the Europeans. Nato is not the only way to skin that cat. And Kellogg knows fully that the Chinese will advance sooner and Russians will just use a ceasefire to rest up, re-arm and come again. Trump himself does not like areas where his actions could signal weakness on the world stage and Kellogg is playing off of that and giving Trump something to think about. As he should.

    There are all sorts of settlement agreements that would be acceptable to me. Provided that they do not project or constitute weakness vis a vis the Russians. Right now Putin is a stronger figure and leader on the world stage than Trump is and he needs to be careful there and not let Putin play him just because Trump wants to be seen as a tough guy too. I know this kind of talk is an anathema to us/Trump supporters but my loyalty is to my country first. I am Trump supporter and not a Trump bootlicker. Much of Trump's previous posture toward Putin has looked like bootlicking. I want him to stop that. And therefore thank Keith Kellogg for taking on that task.

    Also, although there will be no NATO in Ukraine, Putin has nevertheless already taken a major hit from NATO which he definitely did not want...ie. Finland's membership (Sweden too of course). Finland was in his crosshairs. It is not now, except for some demented dreams he may have after too much vodka, but it is far beyond his reach and he knows it. The Baltic Sea is just NATO Lake now.

    Let us remain of good cheer.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2025
    #18622     Jan 18, 2025
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


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    #18623     Jan 18, 2025
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  4. Nobert

    Nobert

    Even the greatest vatniks run out of patience. What he talks about is how ,, All drones were hit " yet still the debris, ,,somehow'' destroyed the oil plant.

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    #18624     Jan 19, 2025
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  5. smallfil

    smallfil

    President Donald Trump's friendly relations with Vladimir Putin was because good relations with Russia will benefit the US more than escalating the proxy war in Ukraine. It is not a show of weakness. What is weak is dragging the whole NATO into war, all 32 nations, destroying their own economies including that of the US. That is the Joe Biden and warmongers way, just so, they can enrich themselves at every turn with the proxy war. Russia warned the US about the Tsarnaev brothers but, US officials arrogance resulted in the Boston Marathon bombing. US never acted on the Russian tip about the Tsarnaev brothers. Russia stopped sharing information with the US because we did not want it. US will do better fixing its huge economic problems rather than waging war everywhere. And all these sanctions are only hurting the US and Europe. Russia is stronger now economically because it has BRICs nations to trade with. They can survive without the US and Europe. US and Europe cannot survive without the BRICs countries.
     
    #18625     Jan 19, 2025
  6. Bird strike.

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    #18626     Jan 19, 2025
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    This is sad. The Russians send off their wounded on crutches in the open so the Ukrainians will fire on them thus revealing the Ukrainian positions. The wounded Russians are nothing more than bait to be killed off.

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    #18627     Jan 19, 2025
  8. Nobert

    Nobert

    #18628     Jan 20, 2025
  9. themickey

    themickey

    #18629     Jan 20, 2025
  10. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Trump claimed yesterday that Russia has suffered a million dead soldiers and also that Ukraine has 700k. He likely has it confused with the ~800k KIA + WIA + MIA Russians that Ukraine claims.

    Nothing he said is very useful really except from showing he's in lala-land:
    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/45759

    Putin isn't going to peace either because this war is make or break for him.
     
    #18630     Jan 21, 2025
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