Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As i stated earlier, Trump is an opportunist -- which is why he will shortly be effectively backing Ukraine in the conflict. He is now seeing a golden opportunity for himself and his cronies to make a fortune on Ukraine's re-construction and natural resources (especially those in the east occupied currently by Russia). While making a fortune off the grift, he can come out looking like a hero to the Europeans which will greatly massage his ego.
     
    #18531     Jan 4, 2025
  2. ipatent

    ipatent

    Trump doesn't have cronies who do that type of thing.
     
    #18532     Jan 4, 2025
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    LOL... nearly all of Trump's cronies do that type of thing. With measures of bribery and graft thrown in as a bonus.
     
    #18533     Jan 4, 2025
  4. kashirin

    kashirin


    The bare minimum to stop the war likely will be official recognition of Crimea belongs to Russia by Ukraine and USA. And I don't see that's happening

    USA seems to push for frozen war without recognition of border changes which Russia won't accept unless other significant concessions like sanctions relieve, compensation for nord stream and payment for damages in Kurk

    so war will continue till Ukraine capitulates

    It was obviously idiocy for Putin to wait so long as they could take Ukraine in a week in 2014 but his resolve seems strong now and possible Russia found war-peace balance right now and just happy to bleed Ukraine slowly

    NAO spending is irrelevant. Printed money doesn't win wars
     
    #18534     Jan 4, 2025
  5. ipatent

    ipatent

    Name them.
     
    #18535     Jan 4, 2025
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Trump got himself in deep and Biden is buying him some time by funding Ukraine through the new year.

    What the trendy right wing Ukrainian haters aren’t acknowledging is Russia is weakening big league both militarily and economically. Ukraine was the biggest mistake Putin ever made. The only chance he has to reverse it is Trump.

    Trump is actually in a very similar position to Reagan with Russia so weak, with the right pressure and some strategy Putin could be gone rather quickly. Authoritarian governments tend to fall rather quickly.
     
    #18536     Jan 4, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    China has propped Russia up, it would be so over without them and Putin still would never have used nukes.

    China can take their old parts of Russia instead of Taiwan. Everybody that matters happy with the deal. Russia can keep a sliver of Ukraine then, full of fucking mines now anyway.
     
    #18537     Jan 4, 2025
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  8. Biden buying Trump time?

    No way. Biden is the root cause of all problems in Ukraine right from the beginning.

    First of all Biden's demonstrated weakness and the disastrous AFG withdrawal put the welcome mat down for Putin and he took the invitation. Would not have happened under Trump.

    Second. Biden has consistently pursued a policy and strategy of giving Ukraine enough to survive but not enough to win. It has resulted in a long drawn out war and much bloodshed.

    Third, in this current period, Biden is positioning himself to be able to say that he did everything for the Ukrainians unlike Trump when in fact- see above comment- he held everything right in a narrow bandwidth that prevented an escalation that he could not deal with. He managed the war, rather than pursued victory. Giving permission to use long range weapons deep inside russia on the way out the door is a classic example. He would not do it before because he would have to live with the risks. Now he does it and dumps the risk on to Trump but he gets to look ballsy and helpful when he has dithered for years.

    Another example of the above is the fact that the Biden administration- on the way out the door- is finally getting real about sanctioning Russian oil by going after the shadow fleet and shadow financial systems that the Russians have been using for their workarounds. Biden would not do it before for the same reason that he threatened Israel about taking out Irans oil infrastructure......ie. he did not want to raise the price of spot oil/gas prices right before the election or at anytime in his admin due to the high level of inflation already in place.

    Going to give you a total fail on all your assertions but rejoice in seeing that you are well and still able to bullshit as ever. I presume, like the rest of us, you are preparing to begin entering the coming Golden Age. Mr. Trump is looking out for you because the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike and you will benefit as well. You are welcome.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2025
    #18538     Jan 4, 2025
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  9. kashirin

    kashirin


    Russia is being propped by the whole world not just China. Everybody helps - China, Turkey, SOuth Africa, Brazil, Saudi Arabia etc. USA outside of NATO seen is a terrorist state which created nazi junta in Ukraine
    USA is being universally hated for abusing its power and crashing smaller nations for no reasons military or through sanctions.
    Everybody knows if Russia fails they might be next. And especially China know that

    So you can dream on but nobody has any illusions and exactly knows who is their enemy and will do whatever it takes
     
    #18540     Jan 4, 2025