Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. kashirin

    kashirin


    You are such a funny paid Nazi propagandist.

    Making up fake Russia loses when Ukraine in the state of complete collapse losing close to 362 000 troops per day and at least 27000 tanks per day
     
    #18331     Dec 5, 2024
  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Usually I think that the whole pay-to-post thing is just a right wing fever dream, of course it exists but not like this...

    You really just seem to need to hit quantity and not quality quotas kaka. It makes me doubt sometimes.
     
    #18332     Dec 5, 2024
  3. ipatent

    ipatent

  4. themickey

    themickey

    In Ukraine, More and More Exhausted Soldiers Abandon Their Posts
    • Criminal cases for AWOL troops rise sixfold, prosecutor says
    • Frontline soldiers serve indefinitely as reinforcements scarce

    By Aliaksandr Kudrytski and Volodymyr Verbianyi December 6, 2024
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rs-abandon-their-posts?srnd=homepage-americas

    On the first day of Russia’s full-scale invasion, Roman Solomonyuk shocked his family when he volunteered to fight. But over two-and-a-half years later, he’s joined the growing number of Ukrainian soldiers who’ve called it quits.

    First the 45-year-old dug trenches near the Russian border. Later, he shot down deadly Shahed drones. But then Roman fell out with a heavy-handed officer — and he’s now officially wanted for leaving his unit without permission.

    Since 2022, Ukraine opened nearly 96,000 criminal cases against servicemen who abandoned their positions since Russia’s invasion, according to data from the prosecutor general’s office. That represents a sixfold increase over the past two years, and most of the cases were opened this year.

    As Ukraine’s army struggles to hold back Russian advances, its manpower disadvantage is becoming more acute. Yet Kyiv is seeking to avoid a conscription drive that could disrupt the economy and unsettle a war-weary population. As a result, some troops are deployed indefinitely with no chance of a break. New troops to relieve them are scarce.

    Many military personnel are simply exhausted, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in a radio interview earlier this month. But the Ukrainian leader resisted setting a deadline to discharge troops, making seasoned soldiers wonder why they should risk their lives when millions of men — many of them younger — don’t serve. For them, going absent without leave, or AWOL, becomes the only respite, a chance to recuperate and tend to their family lives.

    “Fatigue plays a role. Or there are personal circumstances, like when a soldier’s wife is giving birth,” said Oleksandr Hrynchuk of Ukraine’s military law enforcement service. “Or because there’s nobody else to lead the platoon and the commander didn’t grant leave.”

    Kyiv doesn’t release the official number of soldiers who’ve gone AWOL. When asked how many servicemen are currently classified as such, Hrynchuk declined to comment on “sensitive information”, but noted that 40% to 60% of all AWOL cases return on their own. Desertion, when soldiers leave for good, is considered a graver crime but is less frequent, according to the prosecutor general’s data.

    Roman Lykhachov, a Kharkiv-based lawyer for soldiers and veterans, estimates the number may stand at 100,000 or more, which isn’t a far cry from the 160,000 troops that Ukraine earlier said it still needs to mobilize. Some criminal cases on AWOL name up to 20-30 defendants, he said — and there are also soldiers who’ve left but have yet to be charged.

    In comparison, Russian courts processed at least 10,000 cases against runaway soldiers so far, half of them this year, the Mediazona news website reported in August. While that’s a sign that Moscow struggles with the same issue, Russia can more easily absorb the drain on its manpower given that its population is almost four times that of Ukraine.
    Compared to Russia’s harsh military discipline, there is less fear among Ukrainian soldiers of the consequences of leaving their posts or speaking out against commanders, said a Ukrainian military officer who declined to be named. He added that higher payments incentivize Moscow’s troops to stay put.

    For Kyiv, it’s a conundrum that has yet to be solved. Last week, Zelenskiy promised soldiers on the run an amnesty if they returned to their units before Jan. 1, allowing them to avoid criminal charges.
    Some 3,000 servicemen have returned to their units since that change took effect on Nov. 29, according to the military.

    Red Tape
    These changes come as Ukrainian soldiers complain that they have had to fight not only the Russians but their own country’s rigid military bureaucracy.

    In recent years Kyiv has taken strides to turn its top-heavy Soviet-style military into a more modern, nimble force. It adopted many NATO standards and allowed lower-ranking commanders to take more initiative. Soldiers are able to request a transfer to another unit via a mobile app.

    But much of the army remains outdated and transferring from one combat unit to another still requires permission from the same commander soldiers want to get away from.
    Read More: As War Grinds On, Ukrainians Donate Less to Their Military
    Roman joined the territorial defense expecting to fight the enemy in the most efficient way, but says he was quickly stymied by disorganization and bureaucracy. “If a business worked the same way, it would’ve quickly failed,” he said.

    His company of six people had just a single Browning heavy machine gun, designed near the end of World War I, with which to shoot down Shaheds. Before they could start downing the Iranian-made drones, Roman and his comrades had to raise about 700,000 hryvnia ($17,000) to buy a used truck on which to drive the gun around, alongside a Starlink satellite antenna and other tools.

    Nevertheless, Roman praised his immediate commanders as motivated and professional. But then a superior officer took a more active role, he said, issuing dangerous orders such as insisting that all servicemen be lodged together — meaning they could all be killed in a single strike.

    Another brigade agreed to host their tiny company, but the transfer was obstructed. Unwilling to stay under their old commander and unable to switch to a new one, Roman and most of his colleagues went AWOL, demanding to be transferred to their unit of choice.
    Even under a better commander, there’s no guarantee Roman’s company would continue shooting down drones. Increasingly, Ukraine’s commanders send specialized troops such as air defense operators to the frontlines as infantry, where reinforcements are most sorely needed. It’s another reason to leave.

    According to one soldier who spoke on condition of anonymity, this was the fate of his comrade, an artillery specialist who was sent to an infantry unit on what he was told would be a month-long assignment. After discovering that his new role was made permanent without his knowledge, the artilleryman went AWOL.
    For Roman, only by tackling entrenched bureaucracy will Ukraine’s military entice soldiers to stick by it. “Without reforms we have fewer people who are motivated to fight on,” he said.
     
    #18334     Dec 6, 2024
  5. Snuskpelle

    Snuskpelle

    Apparently (if not surprisingly) the North Koreans are completely useless. According to Russian POWs the North Koreans are sick all the time, presumably as they haven't been exposed to diseases from the rest of the world before due to isolation, and they can't handle Russian food either. They apparently haven't trained on real ammunition and are a danger to anyone nearby. So they're a net negative by draining Russian logistics without contributing anything in return.
     
    #18335     Dec 6, 2024
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  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    Russia is doing much better than the US economically, because they actually have a budget that they stick to. Also, Joe Biden and the war mongers in the US Congress have imposed over 20,000 sanctions on Russia to no effect. Well, it made Russia and China huge trade partners helping each other's economy in the process. It also, brought upon the emergence of BRICS nations that is stronger now than the G-7. Contrast to that, the sanctions put on by Russia and China in retaliation against the US and Europe have actually, hurt the US and Europe economically. That is not counting the move to destroy the US dollar.
     
    #18336     Dec 6, 2024
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Understandable, since N. Korea is not constantly fighting a war somewhere around the world. That's how we keep our troops sharp. Iow, we kill for practice.
     
    #18337     Dec 6, 2024
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Not to mention that 20% of the North Koreans have already been eliminated in Kursk.
     
    #18338     Dec 6, 2024
  9. wildchild

    wildchild

    Wow, fatass, the shit is getting deep.
     
    #18339     Dec 6, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    So the Russians handcuff their wounded to hospital beds so they don't escape and then lead them from the hospital in handcuffs to be returned to the front. Some of them still unable to walk. Yep... Putin needs more cannon fodder.

    Hospitalized Russian Soldiers Protest Forced Return to Front
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024...protest-forced-return-to-front-reports-a87252
     
    #18340     Dec 6, 2024
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