Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. kashirin

    kashirin

    Why would Russia negotiate with losers aka USA?

    Hezbollah now have Russian anti ship missiles.
    just one sunk air carrier and USA perceived military might is over
     
    #14591     Nov 9, 2023
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yeah... the Russian vatniks are enjoying the fantasy that a Hezbollah missile will sink a U.S. aircraft carrier -- you know, after the Russians have lost most of their Black Sea fleet to a nation which does not even have a navy. However as many military experts have pointed out the idea that an ancient Hezbollah anti-ship missile of either Russian or Iranian origin is going to sink a U.S. carrier is quite unlikely -- or to simply put it -- it is nothing more than a Russian wet dream.
     
    #14592     Nov 9, 2023
  3. kashirin

    kashirin

    Russian hasn't lost most of black sea fleet. They just moved it.
    Although recent events has shown military fleets overall are obsolete and it's just a matter of very short time US military will be shown their military might is just mirage

    Basically they were already given a hint when Russia totally crushing USa in Ukraine
     
    #14593     Nov 9, 2023
  4. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Two things.
    1) Hezbollah can shoot as many of those anti-ship missiles as their little hearts desire, not so much as one will penetrate the outer ring of a carrier battle group's layered defense before being completely destroyed. Those missiles by comparison are one or two generations above vacuum tubes--- no match for our tech.

    2) True. certain aspects of surface fleets may be obsolete, but that's also a 2 way street in any major conflict. Real sea-power lies in the subs. Russia is certainly no slacker in this dept, and China is an up and comer... but the US is hands down the Big-Dog 'neath the sea. And our ASW capabilities are at least 1 decade ahead of Russia's. They took a few years off in the 90's and early 2000's if you recall. The U.S. didn't. And the tech behind our ASW certainly didn't.
     
    #14594     Nov 9, 2023
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  5. kashirin

    kashirin

    Air strike carrier - have planes - that's the real force into conventional war. Now there are multiple ways to destroy air craft carrier - drones, missles, torpedoes - there is no way to protect it if attack is massive.

    what exactly can you achieve with subs? nuclear strike? nobody is going to do that. Regular missle strike? Not even comparable to 50 planes from carrier

    If air carriers can't be close enough to the event so planes could strike they are useless. Exactly like Russian black sea fleet became useless.
    So show of force against Hamas with 2 air craft carrier works. If USA decides to atack Iran they have all means to attack US fleet
     
    #14595     Nov 9, 2023
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #14596     Nov 9, 2023
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  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Well, you have a few points. Yes, subs are primarily a strong nuclear deterrent. Very stong, probably the strongest.

    And yes, a "massive attack" would be difficult to defend against. But in war, as in chess, a massive attack requires the offensive placement of all pieces involved to execute such. Unlike chess however, it's not a player by player move, and once again, U.S tech superiority and the elint capabilities thereof can pretty much thwart any attempt at such pre-positioning.

    Soooo... sorry Kasmir.... while a trillion dollars in annual defense spending is a bitter pill to swallow, it does have its perks. ;)
     
    #14597     Nov 9, 2023
  8. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    #14598     Nov 10, 2023
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Putin's fantasies continually get more laughable.

    Putin’s New Story About the War in Ukraine
    How Russian Propaganda Went From “Denazification” to Fighting the West
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/putins-new-story-about-war-ukraine



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    And every day, Russia loses more of its Black Sea fleet.

     
    #14599     Nov 10, 2023
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Good luck with that.
     
    #14600     Nov 10, 2023
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