Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. userque

    userque

    It's been said here that Econ Sanctions are the way only and proper to go.

    Sanctioning the rogue nation that steals a whole country is not equivalent to preventing the theft via military intervention in the first place.

    Really sad that this is not obvious to everyone.

    Would you feel that way if it were your country being invaded? If not, then you are wrong and biased.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2022
    #1341     Mar 1, 2022
  2. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    He has showed he is willing to go to war with The US with his invasions of Georgia,Crimea and especially Ukraine as any of these actions could lead to war with The US.Everyone,including Putin, knows Russia cant win a conventional war with The US.If he is willing to go to war with The US knowing he cant win a conventional war that leaves one logical conclusion.

    If he is out of conventional options and The US is bombing the shit out of Moscow there is zero chance he wont start using nukes imo.
     
    #1342     Mar 1, 2022
  3. userque

    userque

    Firstly: Has he gone to war with the US? No.

    So have you considered the possibility that you are incorrect that he has shown he is willing to go to war with the US; in addition, knowing someone's true "will" is nearly impossible.

    What we do know is that the US did not engage him. So perhaps he was/is simply an excellent judge of what the US will, and won't, do; and not necessarily someone willing to go to war with the US, as you suggest. He's reading us like a book at this poker table; but we don't care, and continue being soft and predictable.

    IOW, he knew the US would punk out in those, and this case.
     
    #1343     Mar 1, 2022
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    So appease ala Chamberlain until he gobbles the rest of the ex-Soviet bloc?
     
    #1344     Mar 1, 2022
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Hitler didn't start with Russia or the US,but his actions led him to to showdowns with both.

    Putins actions can easily lead him to a showdown with The US,there is no way he doesn't know that.If he is willing to take that path he is obviously willing to accept it.

    You may be willing to play chicken with a mad man with 6 thousand nukes,but most of us aren't over The Ukraine.
     
    #1345     Mar 1, 2022
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  6. userque

    userque

    Again:

    So we just follow Putin's orders as long as he's in power; because he has nukes and some of us are scared he'll use them?

    You have never addressed this question I've asked multiple times.
     
    #1346     Mar 1, 2022
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Whatever your redline is just be willing to have nukes rain over US (and probably Canadian) cities over it.
     
    #1347     Mar 1, 2022
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    What?
     
    #1348     Mar 1, 2022
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Im not sure what I would support risking nuclear war for.
     
    #1349     Mar 1, 2022
  10. UsualName

    UsualName

    This. Putin is probably in the worst political and military blunder since I don’t know when.

    Militarily, it’s a disaster. Even if they persevere and take Ukraine that becomes a nightmare onto itself. The amount of resources and attention that will drain will overwhelm the Russian government and military.

    Politically, the economic fallout and total isolation is North Korea level. How does he get back to the strength Russia has only a week ago.

    His options are awful. Somebody probably needs to arrest or kill Putin for Russia to have a viable chance at a decent future.
     
    #1350     Mar 1, 2022