Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.


  1. I dont think we will have U.S. soldiers in there...distance bombing and drones attacks far easier to stop conveys and troop movements of drafted russian soldiers and to take out equipment. Putin is fighting a 1970s war against 2022 technology.
     
    #1331     Mar 1, 2022
  2. The EU should develop an emergency refugee status program for Russian soldiers who wish to desert. Put out the message that they will relocated outside of Russia or Ukraine so that they will not have to fight or be in conflict with their former soldiers. Throw in free pass to Pizza Hut buffet for a year and Netflix pass.

    And yes, I get that lots of them have families back home so cannot put them in jeopardy. You dont need 100%. Just give em something to think about while some are already giving up fairly easily. I would make it easier for them. I would mess with their fragile psyches, and also offer them a good deal. No way would I mislead them.
     
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    #1332     Mar 1, 2022
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Washington now scratching its head over how to deescalate the Ukraine fiasco in a way that gives Putin 'an off ramp' because he sucks at invading.

    Biden's dilemma: How to give Putin an off-ramp
    https://www.axios.com/biden-dilemma-putin-ukraine-invasion-edd5f465-bf46-4f3c-85ce-95021d2d6741.html

    With Ukraine holding Russia off longer than many U.S. officials had expected, President Biden now faces a great unanswered question — how to give Vladimir Putin an off-ramp to avoid even greater calamity.

    Why it matters: A cornered, humiliated Putin could unleash untold pain on the world, from cyberattacks to nuclear threats. After enacting brutal sanctions, the White House now must consider how the invasion can end without a new catastrophe.

    Between the lines: Nobody knows what Putin would accept.
    • Many officials fear that we are heading into a very dangerous period — the punishing Western sanctions pushing an autocrat into a corner.
    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), vice chair of the Senate intelligence committee, has hinted Putin could be addled.
    • "This is the most dangerous moment in 60 years," Rubio tweeted Sunday night. Putin, he said, "is facing a humiliating military fiasco & he has triggered extraordinary consequences on #Russia's economy & people that will not be easy to reverse ... And his only options to reset this imbalance are catastrophic ones."
    A European diplomat told reporters at a briefing yesterday: "It's like the Sun Tzu thing of giving someone a golden bridge to retreat across. How do you get him to go in a different direction?"
    • "I think the door to diplomacy remains open," the diplomat continued. "Putin ... doesn't normally back down. But he also controls the information environment in his own country to such an extent that if he does, he can cover his tracks. ... So I think there is room for him to de-escalate — and that's certainly what we're pressing for."
    The diplomat pointed to yesterday’s Russia-Ukraine peace talks in Belarus as the most viable off-ramp in a sea of bad options, noting that negotiations lasted for four hours and appear headed for a second round.
    • Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said before the talks that he was willing to discuss "neutral status" for Ukraine — one of Putin's three demands.
    • But the other two — demilitarization and "denazification" of Ukraine, and recognition of Russia's claim to Crimea — suggest Putin will never accept a deal in which Zelensky remains in power.
    The bottom line: The West's response to Putin — for so long, uncertain and halting — has moved at astonishing speed and ferocity over the past week. How Putin will respond — and whether de-escalation is even possible — is keeping national-security leaders up at night.
     
    #1333     Mar 1, 2022
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  4. I think U.S. should watch Ozark on Netflix and follow the guide of Darlene Snell to handle troublesome meddlers..
     
    #1334     Mar 1, 2022
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  5. elderado

    elderado

     
    #1335     Mar 1, 2022
  6. then funded by the U.S. as well :)
     
    #1336     Mar 1, 2022
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Theyre already sick of it. There was a story about an overrun hospital in Belarus right over the border with buses coming in covered in blood and eyeballs rolling around. If you’re a Russian on your way to Kyiv right now you’re either thinking about running or getting your affairs in order.
     
    #1337     Mar 1, 2022
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    # GUR informs !! Russia is preparing a deliberate provocation to justify the introduction of Belarusian troops According to available intelligence, there are now about 300 Belarusian tanks near the Belarusian-Ukrainian border. ❗ MAXIMUM DISTRIBUTION

    The convoy has not yet crossed the border and is waiting on the route Pinsk - Ivanovo - Drahichyn (approximately 30 km from the State Border of Ukraine). Russia is expected to carry out a deliberate provocation to justify the planned attack by Belarusian troops. ❗ MAXIMUM DISTRIBUTION


     
    #1338     Mar 1, 2022
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Apropos.

     
    #1339     Mar 1, 2022
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  10. userque

    userque

    Why do so many conclude that Putin is a madman willing to start a nuclear exchange; and that we are at his mercy and should do whatever he orders?

    Where is the evidence that he'd start a nuclear exchange, or should we just believe any world leader when they threaten us with nukes? How's that going to ultimately work out for us in the long term?

    What would future, nuclear, madmen decide to do when they see how our scared we are of words? Also make nuclear threats and get whatever they decide to order us to do?

    Where does it end, or do we obey what this 'in our own minds' suicidal madman demands forever?

    Living on my knees is not in my DNA. Sometimes you have to grow a pair, and call the all-in.

    Either this should be the US policy; or it should not. Either be a pussy, and stay that way; or grow balls, and stay that way. It's that wishy-washy shit that makes for weak leadership/nations. Consistency is the way.

    Had Russia been thoroughly dealt with after Crimea, we likely wouldn't be here today. The world should have had balls then. Why shouldn't Russia think they could just take Ukraine?

    Now, here we are once again ... will Russia be thoroughly dealt with this time?
     
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    #1340     Mar 1, 2022
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