Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    The United States will announce a new pledge to buy $1.3 billion worth of military aid for Kyiv in its conflict with Russia in the coming days,” Reuters reports.

    “The previously unreported weapons package includes air defenses, counter-drone systems, exploding drones and ammunition.”
     
    #13191     Jul 18, 2023
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  2. mervyn

    mervyn

    these are all under lend-lease, the recipient must pay back, one way or the other.
     
    #13192     Jul 18, 2023
  3. The other thing - in regard to these water drones- is that they are Ukrainian made and not western missiles so that makes it harder for Russia to argue that the bridge is being attacked with western long range missiles.

    Those water drones are yet another reason why the Black Sea Fleet needs to keep its sorry arse out of Sevastopol.



    Drone boats give Ukraine a cheap, 'asymmetric' edge against Russia and may have just damaged a key bridge

    • Waterborne drones are an inexpensive asset, giving Ukraine an "asymmetric" naval edge against Russia.
    • Russia blamed Ukraine for using the drones to attack the Kerch Strait Bridge in Crimea on Monday.
    • The bridge is key for Russian economic, military, and cultural interests in occupied Crimea.
    Ukraine has heavily relied on cheap-but-effective airborne drones for attacks on front-line Russian positions and on targets behind enemy lines. Waterborne drones are also inexpensive and devastating, and there are indications they were used to damage a key Russian bridge into Crimea.

    On Monday, explosions rocked the 12-mile Kerch Strait Bridge, damaging the roadbed, halting traffic, and killing two adults. Russian authorities blamed Kyiv, vowing "targeted and quite inhumane" repercussions.

    It's at least the second time the bridge has been damaged in less than year. Last October, a bomb-laden truck exploded, severely damaging the bridge and killing three people. It was closed to normal vehicle traffic until February 2023 and railway traffic until May 2023.


    Drone boats give Ukraine a cheap, 'asymmetric' edge against Russia and may have just damaged a key bridge (msn.com)
     
    #13193     Jul 18, 2023
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

     
    #13194     Jul 18, 2023
  5. I heard that he got a loan from Zelensky.

    :cool:
     
    #13195     Jul 18, 2023
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  6. terr

    terr

    Wrong. You should look up what "lend-lease" conditions were. The recipient either uses the arms up or returns them after the war is over (or, if the arms are kept, pays for them).
     
    #13196     Jul 18, 2023
  7. mervyn

    mervyn

    As President Biden recently signed a Lend Lease Act for Ukraine, nothing Kyiv will receive is for free. Here is how the Lend-Lease works and why it is in our national security interest to enhance Ukraine’s security.

    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/ukraine-war-dispelling-popular-lend-lease-myths/

    "Not only will aid to Ukraine eventually be paid off, but combating our second-biggest rival without a single US soldier being killed is an investment into enhanced security for our allies."

    This is the sinister part, as investment, war is a business in DC.
     
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    #13197     Jul 18, 2023
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Any other sources to this?

    Not that I think Russia would spread misinformation on social media or anything like that Id just like to learn more on the subject.
     
    #13198     Jul 18, 2023
  9. terr

    terr

    Bull. Completely wrong. From your article:

    "For example, it took Britain and Russia several decades to pay back their lease. Both were repaid in full by 2006."

    That's an outright lie. That is, the "in full" part.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

    To Soviet Union: $11.3 billion


    Materiel delivered under the act was supplied at no cost, to be used until returned or destroyed. In practice, most equipment was destroyed, although some hardware (such as ships) was returned after the war.

    ...the Soviet Union repaid $722 million in 1971, with the remainder of the debt written off.

    =================================
    So - out of $11.3B supplied to the Soviet Union, 6.4% was repaid.
     
    #13199     Jul 18, 2023
  10. mervyn

    mervyn


    What are you? Goverment accountant?

    They tell you how much you owe and how much you need to pay back/write off/haircut/forgive, not up to you. Nothing in this world is free, I hope you know that already.
     
    #13200     Jul 18, 2023