That's Russian logic. Lavrov said yesterday that delivering F16's will be a nuclear threat to Russia because they can carry nuclear bombs. But the fact that Russia has the same type of planes WITH nuclear bombs seems to be no problem for the Russians. Russia is threatening to create a nuclear disaster in ZPP, but that's no problem. Only if the West is doing something it is a problem that should be answered with nuclear. Only the Russians are constantly threatening with nuclear, nobody else does or did. Putin's decision to invade is in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, a key instrument assuring Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. The memorandum was struck in 1994, following lengthy and complicated negotiations involving the then Russian president Boris Yeltsin, Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma, US president Bill Clinton and the then British prime minister John Major. LAVROV PERSONALLY SIGNED THAT DOCUMENT TOO! To me it is already clear a long time that Russia will always threaten with nuclear, no matter what the real situation is. We should just forget that threat. Russia can break any laws and conventions without any problem. Only the opponent cannot do that.
TLDR. It's not ok for Russia, it's not ok for Ukraine and it's war crime for USA I never said it's ok for Russia Russian are being investigated by International Criminal Court. It's 1308 pages non stop talking about russian war crimes so what else to add here? I accept it. I'm not going to argue if it's legitimate or not for Ukraine to bomb own civilians with own cluster bombs Ukraine used it also from the first day to bomb Donetsk and kill own civilians since 2014 Although for some reason it's not investigated. Ok thats fine Ukraine using it in own country to kill own people so probably it's not war crime according to you Now they will use american cluster bombs to kill Russian and then own civilians for many years after war end. Maybe it's also not war crime But it's defintely war crime to send cluster bombs by third party to war zone and USA just did that
Ukraine is defending itself from an invasion, Russia is not. And Ukraine isn't bombing its citizens, they are bombing Russian military occupiers, the logic of not using cluster munitions is to prevent civilian death is not the issue here since the Russian military is being targeted on Ukrainian soil. And given your support for Russia on this thread, it doesn't seem you were really concerned about cluster bombs until Ukraine started using it.
Russian Military Hit by Uncertainty as One General Is Killed and Another Remains Absent Russian President Vladimir Putin and Gen. Sergei Surovikin. (Reuters) Paul Sonne Wed, July 12, 2023 at 1:56 PM EDT One top commander has disappeared since a mutiny. Another was killed in an airstrike in Ukraine. Another accused his leadership of treachery after being fired. And a fourth former commander was gunned down while out on a jog in what may have been an organized hit. The ranks of the Russian military have continued to be roiled by instability in the days since a short-lived insurrection by Wagner mercenaries three weeks ago, as pressures from Moscow’s nearly 17-month war reverberate across the armed forces. On Wednesday, mystery deepened over the fate of Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the country’s former top commander in Ukraine, who has been dubbed “General Armageddon” for his ruthless tactics, and who has not been seen since the Wagner rebellion. One of the country’s top lawmakers said, when pressed by a reporter, that the general was “taking a rest.” “He is unavailable right now,” the lawmaker, Andrei Kartapolov, the head of the Russian Duma’s defense committee, added in a video posted on the Telegram messaging app before hurrying away from the reporter. Surovikin was considered to be an ally of Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the Wagner mercenary company, whose forces mounted the brief insurrection in late June aimed at toppling Russia’s military leadership before standing down in a deal with the Kremlin. The New York Times reported that U.S. officials believe Surovikin had advance knowledge of the mutiny but do not know whether he participated. In the hours after the rebellion began, Russian authorities quickly released a video of the general calling on the Wagner fighters to stand down. The lawmaker’s enigmatic comment about Surovikin came two days after Russian authorities released the first footage of the country’s top military officer, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, since the insurrection. In the video, Gerasimov was receiving a report from the Russian Aerospace Forces, which are run by Surovikin. But the person giving the update in the footage was Surovikin’s deputy, Col. Gen. Viktor Afzalov. Surovikin’s location is just one of the many mysteries that have arisen since the mutiny. Despite a deal announced by the Kremlin, under which Prigozhin would depart Russia for Belarus and avoid prosecution, the mercenary tycoon appears to have remained in Russia. The Kremlin disclosed this week that Prigozhin and his top commanders met with President Vladimir Putin five days after the mutiny, raising many questions about what sort of deal had been struck with the former insurrectionists. On Wednesday, the Ministry of Defense said that Russian armed forces had been collecting Wagner’s weapons, ammunition, and military equipment. The matériel is expected to be restored for further use. So far, the mercenary group has handed over thousands of small arms and heavy weapons, the ministry said, including rocket launch and mortar systems, anti-tank guns and multipurpose armored tractors. Russia, meanwhile, received another blow to its top military ranks. Lt. Gen. Oleg Tsokov, the deputy commander of Russia’s Southern Military District, was killed in Ukraine during a Monday night missile strike on the occupied city of Berdiansk, one of the highest-level losses for Russia during the course of the war, Ukrainian authorities announced. A Russian lawmaker and retired general, Andrei Gurulyov, confirmed Tsokov’s death in an appearance on state television Wednesday, saying he “died heroically.” The death recalled the early days of the war, when Ukrainian officials said they had killed about 12 generals on the front lines. Gurulyov also released a recording late Wednesday of the commander of Russia’s 58th Combined Arms Army, Maj. Gen. Ivan Popov, explaining to his troops why he was relieved from commanding the unit, which is fighting on the front in Ukraine near Zaporizhzhia. Popov described a “difficult situation with the senior leadership,” which led to him being relieved after he brought up problems on the battlefield, including the lack of counter battery fire and artillery reconnaissance stations, as well as deaths and injuries the force is suffering from enemy artillery fire. Popov appeared to take aim at Gerasimov without naming him, saying that while Ukrainian forces couldn’t break through his army unit from the front, “our senior commander hit us from the rear, treacherously and vilely decapitating” the army unit “at the most difficult and tense moment.” Russian authorities also arrested a Ukrainian man Wednesday on suspicion of gunning down a former Russian submarine commander, Capt. 2nd Rank Stanislav Rzhitsky, this week in the southern city of Krasnodar, where he had been serving as the deputy director of the city’s mobilization office. Russian news outlets reported that Rzhitsky, who posted his running routes publicly on the exercise service Strava, was shot to death while jogging in a Krasnodar park. On Tuesday, the day after the body was found, Ukrainian military intelligence said on its official Telegram account that Rzhitsky had commanded a submarine that was involved in missile attacks on Ukraine. Friends and relatives, however, told Russian news outlets that he had left active-duty military service before the February 2022 invasion. The state news agency RIA Novosti, citing an anonymous source in Russian law enforcement, reported that the man arrested Wednesday had admitted under questioning to being recruited by Ukrainian intelligence to carry out the killing. Rzhitsky’s name had been entered in the online database Myrotvorets, which posts photographs, social media accounts and telephone numbers of people considered to have committed crimes against Ukraine. A red stamp was added over his photograph on the database reading, “Liquidated.” c.2023 The New York Times Company
Russia is planning to build 25 new prison colonies and six detention centers in occupied areas of Ukraine, the AP reports. Most have no status under Russian law.
The CNN babe here says that the general "was fired for speaking out against Putin's war." Not exactly accurate. He has not spoken against the war- only how poorly managed it is. Otherwise, he just wants to win. It is some insight into the Russians problems though. This guy was a frontline commander down in Ukraine. Fired Russian general speaks out about war in Ukraine | Watch (msn.com)
Hey Mickey! Question. Why isn't Australia in NATO? Are you guys ponying up 2% of your GDP to the cause? If so then good.