Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. kashirin

    kashirin

    You are such a clown
    Even Germans publish pictures their garbage tanks burning in Ukraine in droves with Nazis inside like 80 years ago. I just can't wait to see downed f-16 next

    https://m.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/ukraine-krieg-russen-kaempfen-besser-als-erwartet-84267646.bildMobile.html?t_ref=https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/ukraine-krieg-russen-kaempfen-besser-als-erwartet-84267646.bild.html
     
    #12131     Jun 10, 2023
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Good luck with your assertions. Next time read the article and identify the vehicles.
     
    #12132     Jun 10, 2023
  3. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    Donbass is Ukraine.Ukraine has a right to put down terrorist rebels on their soil.

    So I am right only one party responsible for this war,Russia.
     
    #12133     Jun 10, 2023
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  4. M.W.

    M.W.

    Sure, if you drink the Kool-Aid that is fed to you by your government. From Russia's perspective the recognition of Ukraine as a sovereign nation has been blatantly influenced by the US and hence it does not believe that Ukraine's independence is legitimate.

    What sovereignty really comes down to is the vote in the UN. We all know that those votes are cast by individuals that represent many nations that powers like the US have very easy control over to coerce into voting one way or another. Who did not hate the USSR at the time of its breakdown? Humans vote and make choices mostly due to emotions, unfortunately. I bet with you that if a region split off a liked country today and declared its independence that the UN would not find a majority to support the declaration of independence.

    In summary, it very much depends from which perspective you look at this. You are basically supporting the idea that any group today can declare independence and a majority in the UN makes it a sovereign country. Then you should definitely support Palestine if it was ever able to capture half of Israel and claimed it was independent and sovereign off Israel. I would even be willing to bet that such would find a large majority among UN members, unless of course the US again abused its power to coerce other nations into voting otherwise.

     
    #12134     Jun 10, 2023
  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    I don't need kool aid or The US government to know who is 100% at fault when one country crosses another country's borders and start killing its citizens.
     
    #12135     Jun 10, 2023
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  6. M.W.

    M.W.

    Really? So what did Jews do before 1948? They did not invade a sovereign territory and displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and turned them into refugees? Are you also against the existence of the Israeli state? Yeah, I thought so. And why are you still living on land that was stolen by your ancestors? You should return to Europe or Asia or Africa wherever your forefathers originated from. It's easy to fuck things up for your own benefit, then turn around to criticize the same behavior about others.


    Selective bias and hipocricy

     
    #12136     Jun 10, 2023
  7. MSM never reported this, so to many this is complete fabrication by pro-Russian propagandists. But I have some family in Donbas, I don’t need MSM telling me what went on there. Just that is enough justification for Russia to invade Ukraine. It doesn’t matter what my position or anyone else’s is, fact is most countries would have said enough is enough, including the ones that you post from.
     
    #12137     Jun 10, 2023
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Really?

    So it doesn't make you angry that Russia has killed far more civilians, trying to 'liberate' them in the Donbas, than Ukraine?
     
    #12138     Jun 10, 2023
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  9. You talk as if you know that Russians did all of the killing. That’s how it’s reported, but come on, both sides were shooting at each other, etc, in war there are casualties always and caused by both sides.
     
    #12139     Jun 10, 2023
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    wrong. it's a "special military operation to de-nazify the region"
     
    #12140     Jun 10, 2023