Russia & Ukraine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Jan 18, 2022.

  1. There is the well worn argument that this whole thing is pushing Russia closer to China.

    Of late there are reports that China is miffed at Putin's handling of this invasion and that the Chinese are the ones the put the pressure on Russia to have this fake negotiations session today and some other things. I sort of dismissed this idea of China being pissed with Vlad as being American propaganda or wishful thing or whatever.

    But you know what? I am changing my mind a bit. This is not going well for China. Xi's goal/hope was to see Putin take Ukraine in a somewhat methodical manner and somewhat normalize the business of countries taking "mis-aligned" territorities and that it is perfectly understandable why breakways need to be brought back to the Motherland/Fatherland whatever. Then he does the same to Taiwan, expecting lots of blowback, but basically gettin er done.

    Except now Putin has become a monster and a pariah in the world. That is not the template that Xi wanted to see Putin establish.

    I may change my mind after I finish my coffee but for now, I don't think this is going well for China. Obviously, I did not get into the fact that China is also having to see the West rally against Putin, but there is that too of course. Just sayin that China wanted Vlad to grease the skids - not give invasions a bad name.
     
    #1061     Feb 28, 2022
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  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Fucking Russia propaganda. Putin’s failure in Kyiv has been an inability to gain air superiority. The Russians continue to lob rockets but every time they walk in they get the shit kicked out of them.

    I mentioned some time before the Russians are using “dummy soldiers.” One year conscripts who don’t know what exactly they are doing in Ukraine until the bullets and rockets come flying at them. The spetznas has reportedly taken significant losses and the Wagner group keeps getting lost in Kyiv and arrested by normal citizens.

    This isn’t 1939, the Ukrainians have passed even the longest window thinking they could hold out Kyiv.
     
    #1062     Feb 28, 2022
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    #1063     Feb 28, 2022
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  4. Yeh but the Krauts were spread mighty thin and fighting on multiple fronts so it is hard to make a comparison. This is the only game Russia has going right now. Plus he was able to position troops under the guise of "training exercises." The cat was sort of out of the bag when German troops moved.
     
    #1064     Feb 28, 2022
  5. China on TV this morning claiming sanctions are horrible and should not be used...

    China can eat a bag of dicks
     
    #1065     Feb 28, 2022
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  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Funny how that works, especially when the Chinese real estate market is held up by tooth picks.

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    #1066     Feb 28, 2022
  7. Where are we on this issue of the EU sending planes?
     
    #1067     Feb 28, 2022
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So all we see from you today is an endless stream of Russian talking points.

    NATO intervened to stop the wholesale slaughter of Kosovo Albanian civilians in a Yugoslav ethnic cleansing campaign pushed by a ruthless Yugoslav leadership. A Yugoslav ethnic cleansing campaign that murdered thousands and caused nearly 850,000 to become refugees. "The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians."
     
    #1068     Feb 28, 2022
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  9. #1069     Feb 28, 2022
  10. When i visited Belgrade and walked past those building that were hit,i was very pro American to that point.It's next to Ministry of defence and they have a guard on duty there, i saluted him,because this moment made me open my eyes to how much of what i think is propaganda.
    When that war happened i was in New York i did not even know there was a war in Yugoslavia

    the truth is there is no fight for democracy,its just business

    all those fact checkers you paste are just that propaganda to the masses

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    #1070     Feb 28, 2022