running money - 35% a year

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by coolweb, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. Thats 5 years of experience right there.
    flipflopper, I'm already managing decent money right now, mostly my own money.



    I don't sit around and post for a living.
    Each profitable trade can be worth around 80-200k to me.
    10 trades a year.
    Less is Less mistakes.
     
    #21     Mar 9, 2010
  2. Here is what you have said:

    You risk 1% to make 7-15% so lets say you average 1 to 11 risk reward.

    Your targets are $80K-$200K so lets say $140K on average.

    That means you risk on average 13K on a trade.

    You also said you risk 1% of account equity on a trade.

    This means you have a $1,300,000.

    You said you started with a 10K account in 2005.

    This means you made an average annual rate of return of 165%. This is a total rate of return of 12000% over the five years.

    Why would someone as good at trading as you be only shooting for 40% returns?

    If you can prove this track record you will be the richest man on the planet. So congrats on that.
     
    #22     Mar 9, 2010
  3. l2tradr

    l2tradr

    How about taxes? That would be a helluva track record.
     
    #23     Mar 10, 2010
  4. nowhere in my thread does it say i had 12000%
    mainly 20-30% per year and thats not with full capital.
    As time goes on , I add more capital , not from trading profits.
    I can make $50k on $100k capital
    total = $150k
    then add $100k external capital
    total capital next year = $250k


    In reality this has nothing to do with trading, experience is required to make money, capital is just an X variable.
    In trading capital is insignificant.
    I can raise 2-3 million right now just from direct family to add to my current capital.
    Key is to not lose the money.
     
    #24     Mar 10, 2010
  5. Focus on good low risk trading not on returns, money will flow flow flow flow flow.
    simple as that.

    mindset is wrong apparently with a lot of traders.
     
    #25     Mar 10, 2010
  6. missed the trade on citibank on friday (I had a position on it but sold during the chop fest)
    I'm watching the gold trade,
    when its the right time to buy, i'll be buying, right now is still not the right time.
    I don't like buying bottoms.
    may be more reward, but the predictable factor is not there.
    I'd rather take a trade thats more predictable * 100 * 13% reward then less predictable * 50 * 20% reward


    sitting here as a wolf waiting for injured sheeps
    patience patience patience.
     
    #26     Mar 10, 2010
  7. So everything you have and are saying is hypothetical... I had a feeling the numbers didn't make sense. Making 50K on 100K capital means you would be using 1 to 50 risk reward if you only risked 1% of capital. It's funny when people don't realize how outrageous their math really is.

    By the way in case you didn't notice I calculated 12000% based on all the numbers you were throwing around. If you want to be a con man at least make sure your numbers make sense. I can see you are learning from your master Madoff... he got away for so long claiming 30% returns.

    Hopefully your family won't press charges when that money is gone.
     
    #27     Mar 10, 2010
  8. I'm not a very good ES trader, cause it doesn't move much. Going short on it doesn't make me much money at all even if you get it right.
    <b>
    but I'd be short the ES here 1145.75, stop 1146.25 </b>
    I would not trade this with any decent sized money... daytrade SHORTS don't return much money. Even if I short something, Its a bit too volatile for me.

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    I still trade ES with 1 contract or even virtually in my brain mainly to improve my price pattern recognition
     
    #28     Mar 10, 2010
  9. Right here I would add ES 1145 short
    12:05 , with a 1145.50 stop
     
    #29     Mar 10, 2010
  10. price now 1142.25

    While its pleasurable to take a 12 tick profit
    patience is the key
    Hold through this because our pattern has not completed.


    1140 would be target for entry #1
    1138 would be target for entry #2
     
    #30     Mar 10, 2010