firefighters beg to differ about giuliani performance on 911: Firefighters' Union Shuns Giuliani 9/11 Blogger Friday, March 9, 2007 The Firefighters' Union is holding a bipartisan election forum on March 14, 2007. They have invited several presidential candidates, but not Rudy Giuliani. Here is an excerpt of a statement from the firefighters: "His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood â and directly on our union â that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum. The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten. In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point. Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial. Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once. In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains. Mayor Giuliani's actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill. Our Local presidents at the time attempted to meet with the Mayor to stop this despicable treatment of those who perished, but he refused to even see them face-to-face. The scoop-and-dump continued. And when hundreds of family members of the fallen joined with our affiliate leadership and members to protest Giuliani's decision, he ordered senior officers of the New York Police Department to arrest 15 of our FDNY brothers, including a number of local elected IAFF leaders. Giuliani modified his policy after the protest because public opinion was so strongly with our members. Ultimately, he was forced to put the fire fighters back on the pile. Our protests were later proven justified as more bodies were ultimately recovered and those families given a chance for some closure and a decent burial. Giuliani argued that the change was for our own safety, but his argument was empty and without substance. Fire fighters had been on that pile since minutes after the twin towers fell â why all of a sudden, after nearly two months working on the pile, was Giuliani concerned about fire fighter safety? In our view, he wasn't really concerned. The fact is that the Mayor's switch to a scoop-and-dump coincided with the final removal of tens of millions of dollars of gold, silver and other assets of the Bank of Nova Scotia that were buried beneath what was once the towers. Once the money was out, Giuliani sided with the developers that opposed a lengthy recovery effort, and ordered the scoop-and-dump operation so they could proceed with redevelopment."
wasn't there an issue of air quality? So, they go down there, get sick, and go on disability. Know how bad that is in NYC. I know an ex cop, young guy, full disability, fell on his knee in a bust. He says he's fine. The Dept says, we want you out. Something happens, an attorney points to that knee, we lose a huge judgement. Great system. I hear, from someone I respect greatly, Rudy is the real deal. THe right will have to give a little on this one, or they'll get the Daily Double of Bill and Hillary.
lol, yeah of course there was an air quality issue but that bitch of christine todd whitman reassured the public the air was safe to breed and the water clean to drink. of course she knew it was not the case but the administration pressurized the EPA to downplay any hazard...well they said there were no hazard at all to begin with. and even when first responders begun to get sick, the white house was still in denial...infact they are still blocking millions of dollars in health care benefits destined to the ground zero heros.
A. have you seen the First Responders videos at all? B. Rudy is the real deal? LMAO.. are you on crack? dude, you are in so much denial. You understand the illegal naked shorts, but you just can't come to terms with the true nature of the dynamics. Rudy is garbage, lower than the rats at that recent KFC/Taco bell manhattan closing. Watch true heros speak: http://rattube.com/blog1/2006/10/31/first-responder-owns-911-debunkers/ http://rattube.com/blog1/2006/10/28/first-responder-speaks-out-911/
extremely touching....this guy is and has always been my main motivator in exposing the global crime sindacate and its genocidal agenda. "avenge us"... ...those two words are the engine for my drive.
You have morphed into what is wrong with ET. I said "someone I respect". I didn't say "I agree, " or " I'm saying". Who wants to listen to you when you rant and rave like the lunatic fringe you frequent.???? Jesus. How about, "I disagree, and I'll try to explain why.? " Perhaps you're right, but who wants to hear it. Been there. Calm the fuck down. REal heroes. Says who? You? How do you know? You may be right. but you expect to put everyone down, and then proclaim something for immediate acceptance. Please, temper the attacks. If you saw the exchange between, Obey is it, and those other wack jobs, he tells them they don't knowwhat they are talking about. He wasn't all that patient, and it's why you'll lose again in '08. That may or may not be good, but most people don't go for this sort of tirade. Now, why do you say Rudy is garbage.? I"d like to know, and no, I don't want to watch a video. You went to college. Tell me why you believe it to be so. Thanks. And let's keep it civil.
Giuliani's Private Life May Hurt His Run MARC HUMBERT | AP | March 10, 2007 06:44 AM EST Compare other versions » Compare with ALBANY, N.Y. â Ronald Reagan was divorced, had chilly relations with some of his children, and still easily won two terms as president. Rudy Giuliani has been thrice married and twice divorced, has chilly relations with his children, and wants to be elected president. Twenty-seven years after Reagan became the only divorced candidate to win the presidency, the former New York City mayor is hoping that when it comes to family values, voters will be as accommodating. They may not be. Republican strategists say Giuliani's troubled family relationships are likely to hinder his standing among conservatives who already have questions about his positions on social issues. They say the estrangement could raise a question in voters' minds: If Giuliani can't keep his family together, how will he keep the country together? In fact, Giuliani's support for abortion and gay rights, his backing of gun control measures and his very New Yorkness already had given conservatives pause about his candidacy. He has also marched in gay pride parades, dressed up in drag and lived temporarily with a gay couple and their Shih Tzu. Then came the stories about his family. "There's obviously a little problem that exists between me and his wife," Andrew Giuliani, a 21-year-old student at Duke University, recently told The New York Times. Standing outside the Los Angeles County sheriff's headquarters on Monday, the former New York mayor faced questions about the estrangement from his son Andrew. "The more privacy I can have for my family, the better we are going to be able to deal with all these difficulties," he said. America was getting a look at what New York tabloid readers were familiar with from the pre-Sept. 11 world, when Giuliani's planned 2000 Senate campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton fell apart in the face of his prostate cancer and the messy and very public breakup of his marriage to TV personality Donna Hanover. Judith Nathan was the other woman back then and subsequently became Giuliani's third wife and stepmother to the two Giuliani-Hanover children, Andrew and Christine. Giuliani's first marriage to his second cousin, Regina Peruggi, ended after 14 years in divorce and later an annulment. That may not wash with today's Republican Party, where religious conservatives hold greater sway than in Reagan's day, said political scientist Gerald Benjamin. "The mobilization of the Christian right is a movement of contemporary Republican politics," said Benjamin, dean of liberal arts and sciences at the State University of New York's New Paltz campus. "It makes more of a difference now." There is another difference. "Ronald Reagan had a wealth of conservative support based on his record and that made conservative Republicans look beyond any issues with his kids and his divorce," said GOP strategist Nelson Warfield. "Giuliani doesn't bring a wealth of conservative support to the equation." Independent pollster Lee Miringoff said Giuliani's request for privacy is unlikely to be heeded given that private lives have become fair game in politics. "It's become a fact of life," said Miringoff, head of Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion. For Giuliani, the family flap came at a bad time. He had surged to the front of the GOP pack, pulling ahead of Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. "He's probably the most famous, least known candidate for president we've had in a long time," said Warfield. "This exposes a side of Giuliani most voters would have no idea about." Southern Baptist Convention leader Richard Land, for example, described Giuliani's breakup with Hanover as "divorce on steroids." Hanover learned her husband was seeking a divorce from television after he announced the decision at a press conference. "To publicly humiliate your wife in that way, and your children _ that's rough," said Land. "I think that's going to be an awfully hard sell, even if he weren't pro-choice and pro-gun control." Marital history and family values have been bubbling just below the surface of the Republican campaign for months. At a GOP dinner in Missouri last month, Ann Romney said the biggest difference between her husband, Mitt, and his rivals was that "he's had only one wife." McCain is divorced and has a second wife. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is considering a presidential run, is twice divorced and on Thursday acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair when he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair. Miringoff said Ann Romney's comments may also be designed to blunt concerns about her husband's Mormon faith, given the church's past links to polygamy. And while Andrew Giuliani has said he is too busy pursuing a possible professional golf career to campaign for his dad, one of Romney's five sons is working on his father's campaign full-time. All Romney's sons, their wives and the candidate's 10 grandchildren have been prominently featured by the campaign. Giuliani's campaign spokeswoman, Maria Comella, declined to discuss how the former mayor's private life might play out in the campaign other than to say, "This election is about leadership" and Americans appear to have embraced Giuliani's "optimistic vision and reputation as a problem solver." The last New York Republican to make a serious run for the White House, Nelson Rockefeller, lost the GOP nomination in 1964 to Barry Goldwater _ in part because of the then-New York governor's divorce and subsequent remarriage. "'We need a leader, not a lover,' was the slogan used against him," recalled Benjamin, a Rockefeller biographer.
you say, "you'll lose again" ... you think i am a democrat? i am more conservative than you, trust me. rudy is on the same side as the financial mafia you think you are fighting. sorry i lost patience with you but come on..... you still don't get what you are up against on the illegal shorts. you actually think you are going to win by the same means you have pursued now for how long? they are wearing you down because you think ultimately good will win out over evil. the problem is... you still dont get how high up this thing goes. every couple of weeks you proclaim a new revelation and this is it. I wish it were, but i know the deal. i was on your side immediately re: illegal naked shorting because i recognized the formulaic dynamics in play. you still are in denial about this and cling to pseudo conservative republicans like they are John Wayne/white knights. they are just as bought off as the dem's, if not more. and no i will not "calm down," too many innocent lives are constantly being taken. money is one thing but innocent people being slaughtered negates me being civil. watch the video or dont... i dont give a f***. i will continue to support the first responders that you belittled in your first post. if you dont care enough about these men to get over your fragile ego then that is on your conscience. ps ... go play nice nice with rocker's gang and see how far you get.... doesn't work does it? and i did watch obey.... i liked what he had to say about liberals. i am not holding my breath though on his tactics for ending the war either.
rudy is on the same side as the financial mafia.... Give. Give me some proof .. You never back anything up. Let's hear it. You know everything, fine. But all you do is scream and shout. Back it up. If you were a student someplace, you'd be allowed the statement, if you would then prove it, or at least offer some evidence. I know of no evidence that even hints of that. Given he was Mayor, I'm assume he took Wall Streets' side at times, but I don't know that. I'm all ears
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MonaCharen/2007/02/09/is_giuliani_a_conservative There are many articles like this, highlighting accomplishments. It's a war, people think of him as a war time leader. Makes him very viable, unless, of course, Ratboy has some damning evidence that he is a Taliban sympathizer. Why any accomplished individual would subject themselves to this shit is beyond me.