RONIN Capital is no more

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by nastazio151, Mar 20, 2020.

  1. Hey Jimmy, think we'll still be able to keep our car collections?
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    #71     Mar 27, 2020
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  2. You can only lose that kind of money if you're short options and they blow up in your face. Maybe they took a shot and sold upside VIX calls thinking they were protected with their long VIX position, which was the hedge against their long index/equity position. The unimaginable losses on the VIX call options would have overwhelmed the whole position.
     
    #72     Mar 27, 2020

  3. They went with WOLO Capital bc YOLO was taken.
     
    #73     Mar 27, 2020

  4. They already auctioned-off Ronin's positions: https://www.reuters.com/article/cme...-firm-ronin-capitals-portfolios-idUSL1N2BD2GF
     
    #74     Mar 27, 2020
  5. Looks like 90% of Parplus Partners capital was Ronin/Stafford's. So Ronin may have lost $100M+.

    Ownership team - last updated 2019-03-29
    Name Title Start Date Direct/Indirect % Ownership
    Stanton, John, Cressy CCO 02/01/2017 Direct less than 5%
    CARNEY, JAMES, W CEO 02/01/2017 Direct less than 5%
    PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS LP MEMBER AND MANAGER 02/01/2017 Direct 75% or more
    WAIZU HOLDINGS MEMEBER RONIN PRIVATE INVESTMENTS , LLC 12/01/2015 Indirect 75% or more
    STAFFORD, JOHN, SPRINGS MEMBER WAIZU HOLDING LLC 12/01/2015 Indirect 25 - 50%
    STAFFORD, JOHN, SPRINGS MEMBER WAIZU HOLDINGS LLC 12/01/2015 Indirect 25 - 50%
    SOLLOG, ADDISON, MILES LIMITED PARTNER PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS LP 04/01/2017 Indirect 25 - 50%
    CARNEY, JAMES, W LIMITED PARTNER PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS LP 04/01/2017 Indirect 25 - 50%
    RONIN PRIVATE INVESTMENTS., LLC LIMITED PARTNER PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS LP 04/01/2017 Indirect 25 - 50%
    PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS GP LLC GENERAL PARTNER PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS LP 04/01/2017 Indirect Other
    CARNEY, JAMES, W MEMBER AND MANAGER PARPLUS PARTNERS HOLDINGS GP LLC 04/01/2017 Indirect 75% or more

    https://whalewisdom.com/filer/parplus-partners#tabadv_ownership_tab_link
     
    #75     Mar 28, 2020
  6. themickey

    themickey

    Maybe they made an error and placed an incorrect trade, in the heat of the moment there was a lapse in covering or a type fat finger trade which went undetected.
     
    #76     Mar 28, 2020
  7. #77     Mar 30, 2020
  8. absinthe

    absinthe

    I just signed up to ET this afternoon. Was at Ronin for over eleven years till mid 2011. Obviously a few of you were at Ronin or knew/know 3 pencil. Before that I was at two other trading firms that blew- Linnco, than Refco, which is how I ended up at Ronin Don't know how much I can add other than in these situations, generally none of the traders are made whole. The Staffords have a ton of money outside of Ronin, and if they had wanted could probably have found a way to meet the margin call, so I'm guessing they decided to let the ship sink. Anyone that wants to chat can pm me.
     
    #78     Apr 10, 2020
  9. Ok, I'll bite. Who is 3 pencil?
     
    #79     Apr 12, 2020
  10. absinthe

    absinthe

    I meant 3 stick. John the third. I remember seeing your profile before it think you deleted and recollect you using Carmel as your addy. Do you know him from the car world or from trading? I
     
    #80     Apr 12, 2020