Ron Paul says healthcare not a right

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Kassz007, Jul 16, 2009.

  1. "The church, the state, and the poor, are 3 daughters which we should maintain, but not portion off."

    "A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."

    "I think the first duty of society is justice."

    "Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint."

    "If we do not lay ourselves at the service of mankind, who shall we serve?"

    You do yourself and your country's rich history and legacy a great disservice by treating such pivotal figures as political caricatures.
     
    #101     Jul 17, 2009
  2. achilles28

    achilles28

    You're confused.

    Agreement isn't Socialism.

    Socialism is the forced transfer of wealth from the have's to the have nots, via the State.

    The Founders were unarguably opposed to this, in word and deed.
     
    #102     Jul 17, 2009
  3. lrm21

    lrm21

    It has been proven beyond a doubt the stastics regularly quoted to show longer life spans, birth rates have are tripe gamed by the WHO.

    Honestly I can't understand how people continue to promote the fallacy that the U.S. healthcare system is mediocre or not worth the money spent.

    If you want to argue the merits of universal coverage fine, but don't sit there and spew the lies that the Government will provide world class healthcare or improve quality when we have by far the finest healthcare system in the World based on real results.

    Please note that they laws of physics and economics show that in order to cap "costs" it requires rationing.

    As result your health care systems resemble lottos, not to the benefit anyone but to allow government to expand control for the sake of power.

    What is this obsession with total healthcare dollar spent how is that even comparable again across nations. Do we analyze total dollars spent on TVs, or chocolate and see if we are making wise decisions.

    The whole point of capitalism is for you too spend your money how you see fit. If healthcare is not a priority or needed than thats up to the individual.

    But Please drop the bullshit stats.
    http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/060924/2healy.htm

    No nation can has comparable statics to U.S. when looking across equal incidents. Given the size and diverse make up of the nation its sweet golden apples and rotten bananas at best.


    In comparable specific disease classes for example cancers the U.S. is miles ahead of any other nation.
    http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20080716/cancer-survival-rates-vary-by-country

    Neonatal care here is beyond belief we are saving kids at 15-20 weeks premature.

    Not to mention the fact that most new technologies, drugs, methodoligies are being advanced by the U.S.A at this point, since Universal Healthcare nations have no real need for research.

    Bottom line our healthcare system is the finest in the world, our trauma centers, neonatal centers, cancer centers, heart centers, childrens hospitals, most of them built and funded privately. All our major metropolitan cities have world class facilities,

    Most Americans live within hours of a world class facility.

    Seriously do you people really believe your bullshit.

    Has your government brainwashed you so much.

    I can see my childs pediatrician today. tomorrow, no appointment. All of them top medical schools graduates.

    I can pick up the phone, and call for any specialist, wait a few days to a couple weeks.

    Anyone with cancer, can hop on a plane schedule a visit with any specialist in the country and receive multiple opinions on their conditions.

    I want a blood test couple of hours.

    If an ambulance picks me up I can tell which hospital to take me.

    There are MRI machines, PET , CAT
    cyberknife centers on every corner here.

    Lasik centers, breast augmentation. Any secretary around here has fake tits for a high school present.

    I don't see any Americans traveling abroad for life saving treatments in drove, the occasional liberal flake not included.

    Is our system perfect far from it, this is real life not Utopia. But it is far better than anything anyone else has to offer. We spend a shit ton of money on healthcare also because the damn government is on on 50% and ever since they got in the act in 1965 they have screwed the inflationary curve in healthcare.

    Seriously wake the fuck up and watch this.

    I particularly enjoy how your world class system took a year to amputate the wrong leg. (@10:20)..I know anecdotal but still gets the point across.


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    #103     Jul 17, 2009
  4. achilles28

    achilles28

    Pulling random quotes outta yer ass in the vein attempt at sowing doubt unequivocally proves nothing.

    Why?

    Because your quotes are not law. The Constitution lays clear EXACTLY what powers and rights are afforded to the Federal Government, States and People.

    So much so, the Founders made no qualms as to exactly their intent, meaning and codified them, as such.

    Thanks for posting those random musings, that without context or precedent, make for a compelling argument, indeed.... :D
     
    #104     Jul 17, 2009
  5. 'Just as powerful,just as strong,just as well funded ' (as the Military!) Hadn't heard that before. They will be the 'Young American Patriots' and will be National Socialism's greatest zealots since Mao's 'little red bookers'.
     
    #105     Jul 17, 2009
  6. Which constitution, exactly? The first one drawn up by founding fathers barely lasted twenty years, before being replaced by a federalist revamp that embodied such libertarian ideals as federal taxation.

    And that one, of course, needed to be immediately amended.

    Again, your myopic view is creating a cartoon version of history and historical characters that do you and the country a disservice.

    Cheers.
     
    #106     Jul 17, 2009
  7. All taxation is a forced transfer of wealth.

    ALL TAXATION.

    The founding fathers were not opposed to taxation, and even went to the trouble of completely rewriting the constitution to make sure the federal government, which they were now conveniently part of, had the ability to impose taxes.
     
    #107     Jul 17, 2009
  8. A great one from Dan Mitchell at the Cato Institute,on the benefit of tax-havens this time.This is what the progression to One-World Government is all about - ever greater taxes and less FREEDOM.

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    #108     Jul 17, 2009
  9. LVMises

    LVMises

    Good Post
     
    #109     Jul 17, 2009
  10. achilles28

    achilles28

    You're quite the wordsmith, Random. If not a bit of a amateur. Moonlight as an aid to Lionel Hutz?

    The Bill of Rights was ratified by 3/4'ers of States back in 1791. That's been the law of the land for over 200 years.

    THAT'S the Constitution I refer too. Incidentally, its also the document our Supreme Court (at least in lip service) defers its rulings and interpretations too. And the very document our Military, Government and civic leaders swear allegiance by.

    But you don't like the Bill of Rights. You're more a Big Government kind-of-guy. You prefer the Supreme Law of the Land be trivialized as having little-to-no authority in any matter Big Brother wants a piece of. Afterall, if George Washington didn't come down from Mt Rushmore with stone tablets inscribed by God HIMSELF, its all pretty relative, isn't it? :D

    Tell you what. Rally together a constitutional convention, get 3/4 er's of States to repeal the first ten amendments, and then you can set-up your very own Banana Republic, right here in the US of A!

    UNTIL THEN, I'm keeping my Rights. :cool: :cool:

    What was it Charlton Heston said? Oh YEA.

    OVER MY COLD, DEAD HANDS, BABY!
     
    #110     Jul 17, 2009