Ron Paul on the defensive

TraderDrake · Jan 12, 2008

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(What a laugh, watching someone who caters to the John Birch Society crowd attempt to distance himself from his past. For nearly 2 decades he knew of the racist, anti Semitic homophobic, and white supremacist bile that was being printer in the newsletter with his name on the front. However, in his redneck district Texas, that was a political boon. Now that he is on the big stage, he is trying to make excuses for his lapse of moral character. I know the Paulites will defend this fanatical joker the way they blindly do. I also got a kick out of how he views the whole thing as some kind of "conspiracy" against him, as if he is the victim for not distancing himself from the Newsletter a long, long time ago...you know, before he wanted to be elected president.)

Paul Calls Himself 'the Anti-Racist' in Responding to Bigotry Allegations

January 10, 2008 10:09 PM

ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf reports: Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, gave his first lengthy TV interview about those bigoted screeds from the early 1990s printed in a newsletter bearing the name "The Ron Paul Report" that were dug up by The New Republic and posted by that magazine Tuesday night (LINK).

First, speaking to CNN's Wolf Blitzer, he disavowed himself of the reports and admitted they are bigoted.

"It's in there," Paul said. "It's bad. I recognize that and I had a moral responsibility. But that doesnât mean you can indirectly charge me as being a racist."

"Everybody knows Iâm not involved in that kind of language," said Paul, before disavowing the writing in the reports, which he said he often did not read. (Which for you folks with a brain means that he did read the newsletters occasionally, and allowed them to continue with his name boldly on the title page.)

"That's not my language. That's not my life," he said. "I honor and respect the civil right movement."

Paul compared himself to a publisher of the reports and asked Blitzer if publishers always know every word in their magazines. (The publisher may not know every word, but when they find out what was in the magazine, if it is vile and violates their principles, they do something about it as soon as they find out. That is, if they have any moral character or are bothered by what was written in "their magazine." Hey Mr. RuPaul, where does the buck stop?)

But Paul, who called himself the "anti-racist," did not just defend himself. He also argued that his libertarian ideals do the most for minorities in the two wars most affecting them now, pointing to the war in Iraq and the war on drugs.

"In all wars, minorities suffer most," he said.

(So he is against the war because of its impact on minority groups? What a complete lie.)

"What other candidate will stand up and say, 'I will pardon all, black or white, anybody who is convicted of nonviolent drug acts?'" Paul asked Blitzer. "If you want to look for the real discrimination, its in the judicial system."

(Complete strawman argument. Again he is making an argument that he is not a racist, and his stand on drugs has nothing at all to do with race. Man, this guy is lost.)

"The real discrimination today has to do with the drug laws and the judicial system," he added.

"What I defend is the principle of libertarianism, where we never see an individual belong to a group," Paul said.
(Easily said by a white Christian guy who doesn't belong to a minority group. More BS.)

He also argued that Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. practiced libertarian ideals. (Total spin. MLK and Parks were supporters of freedom for all minority groups, fought for rights of minority groups, understood the need to protect such groups from the majority who abuse those groups simply because they have the economic or political power to do so...something Libertarians don't give a rat's ass about. MLK was called a communist by the right wingers and John Birchers, not a Libertarian.)

"Iâm not a racist," Paul said. "Rosa Parks is one of my heroes, Martin Luther King is a hero, because they practiced the libertarian principle of civil disobedience and non-violence. Libertarians are incapable of being racist because racism is a collectivist idea. You see people in groups. A civil libertarian like myself see everyone as an individual." (Apparently Paul isn't in touch with his "Libertarian" constituency and their view of Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks, Jews, people living on Welfare and other groups of minorities and/or opression, etc.)

Paul claimed his own support among African Americans is increasing and said someone (he did not say who) is trying to undermine that because he is the candidate that does the most to fight racism by not viewing people as part of a group. He did not offer data to prove his support among African Americans is growing. (Typical of Paul, to make statements lacking supporting evidence.)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/paul-calls-hi-1.html
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Are you serious about the issue of racism? It hardly exists today, and what does remain is never going away because there are differences between people. Find something more important to whine about! Blacks have had lots of assistance, and they've made strides. What hasn't changed by now, will not. And the Jews are hardly victims of racism here in the US. There are lots of very successful Jews everywhere, so refrain from painting them as being discriminated against just because their "plight" is not a candidates main focus. I will vote for Ron Paul, by the way.

ilikefox es · Jan 12, 2008

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In an ideal world, lots of economic systems work, because in an ideal world you have ideal people who live by ideals.

Now back to reality, we don't have an ideal world. We have people who if given the power, will abuse it, they always have, the likely always will.

I fully understand the concepts Paul promotes, but they are not generally practically obtained by the methods he proposes. Libertarian ideals can be practiced by some people, just as Communist ideals can be practiced by some people, but neither extreme can be forced upon the masses with any degree of success.

That's the problem with extremists on both the right and the left, they are not practical, and have a very difficult time finding middle ground to get things done.

They don't have a spirit of compromise, a spirit of give and take, which is necessary to hold together a country that is now as diverse as ours is. This is no longer the late 18th century, though people out there think that we can govern as if it were.

Paul's so called pragmatism is anything but actually pragmatic considering where we actually are right now. It just won't work. It would be a disaster to have him as president right now. It would lead to tremendous stagnation in D.C. because he would veto nearly everything. Paul is not a person who compromises, or even thinks of it much, unless it serves his personal immediate agenda.

I have pointed out some of the flaws that exist in Paul, some of the inconsistencies and the brand of politician expedience he practices, and the Paulites will listen to none of it.

Only a moderate has any chance of gradually bringing the country back to the right or left depending on the direction we are out of balance.

The problems we have are not caused by government, that is a complete fallacy...hence the solutions are not going to come via some revolution in government.

Paul appeals to those who want to take no responsibility personally for the problems America has, but rather want to blame others or the government.

Not until there is such time that Americans view the problems of poor Americans, problems of racial minority groups of Americans, problems of American women, problems of gay Americans, and the problems of an aging population of Americans as our American problems...no single politician or a few changes in the legislative branch is going to have that much of a large impact beyond a negative one.

It is very hard to find a republican who will say, "You know, it is my fault I voted for Bush. It is my fault, I voted in these guys. My mind made a poor decision. I need to have my head examined and my thinking evaluated for making such a poor choice."

What happens is that the same mind that made the poor decision doesn't want to understand why it was wrong, but just wants to think their decisions now will be right. Nothing changes that way, same mistake prone mind, same mistakes.

No, it is the fault of everyone who voted for Bush, and the legislative branch we have had to look at their own thinking that has allowed this to happen.

No politician who wants to get elected has the brass to step up and point to America and say "It is your fault people. You screwed up. You voted in the wrong people. You didn't want to take the time to make intelligent decisions. All you wanted was this, or that, without thinking what was really best for all Americans. You just wanted to abdicate your personal responsibility of citizenship to whoever made you feel good with their empty promises."

Paul offers empty promises he can't deliver upon. Same with Obama, same with all the other politicians.

We are in the situation we are in because of us the people, not them, the government...

We had a brief moment in time following 9/11 of unity, unity against a common enemy, an external enemy.

How long did that last? What sacrifices were actually made and for how long? What about our own internal shared enemy?

We have corruption in every single institution in this country, every single one. It is rampant.

We live in a "Christian Nation" which has seen the moral decay away from Christian principles in the name of money and instant gratification. The self righteous spend their time pointing at all the other "Sinners" as if they are not part of the problem in their own life. They don't lead by example or by a concept of promotion via attraction, but spend time preaching and in hate of what others do and how they lead their lives. It is always the fault of the other guy.

That kind of corruption nationwide is not the fault of government, nor the churches, nor the media, nor terrorism, nor any other external agent.

We really have no candidate that I can see who talks much about personal responsibility, that the need to change lies in the American people themselves, which begins with an introspection and honest assessment of each individual's own part in the problem, and part in the solution.

Paul is no different in this respect, he is speaking to the audience who wants to be told that it is all somebody else who is to blame, i.e. the government, etc.

The problems we have in America are a result of Americans as a collective whole, and no single president or leader is going to make that go away by wishing it away, or by blaming the FED, or by blaming the media, or by blaming entitlements, or by blaming the dems, or the repubs, or by blaming taxation, ad infinitum.

It says "We The People" not "We The Government." Well that means we are at fault, not the government.

We collectively are to blame, not the the government or the structure. That's just another boogeyman that works when people want to look outside of themselves.

I know the Paulites believe Paul is this principled guy and above ego, and desire for power, blah, blah, blah.

That fairy tale is what keeps the Paulites going, what will keep them blaming the media, the FED, etc., just like a child has to keep believing in Santa Claus even when they know in their heart at a certain age that Santa Claus is not real...
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As I read the above post, I especially enjoyed this part of your autobiography.

"The self righteous spend their time pointing at all the other "Sinners" as if they are not part of the problem in their own life. They don't lead by example or by a concept of promotion via attraction, but spend time preaching and in hate of what others do and how they lead their lives. It is always the fault of the other guy."

ratboy88 · Jan 12, 2008

OMG ZZZzzzzz was right, look at the evil Dr paul and what he is doing to black elderly women. THAT'S IT... I AM DONE!!!

ZZZzzzzzzz · Jan 12, 2008

You are probably a white guy, right?

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Are you serious about the issue of racism? It hardly exists today, and what does remain is never going away because there are differences between people. Find something more important to whine about! Blacks have had lots of assistance, and they've made strides. What hasn't changed by now, will not. And the Jews are hardly victims of racism here in the US. There are lots of very successful Jews everywhere, so refrain from painting them as being discriminated against just because their "plight" is not a candidates main focus. I will vote for Ron Paul, by the way.

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ZZZzzzzzzz · Jan 12, 2008

You must be one of the non sinners...

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As I read the above post, I especially enjoyed this part of your autobiography.

"The self righteous spend their time pointing at all the other "Sinners" as if they are not part of the problem in their own life. They don't lead by example or by a concept of promotion via attraction, but spend time preaching and in hate of what others do and how they lead their lives. It is always the fault of the other guy."

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ZZZzzzzzzz · Jan 12, 2008

Sure, that picture tells us the whole story...

From one photo you can know how good someone is, how sincere they are, their inner state of heart and mind...

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OMG ZZZzzzzz was right, look at the evil Dr paul and what he is doing to black elderly women. THAT'S IT... I AM DONE!!!

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ratboy88 · Jan 12, 2008

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ZZZzzzzzzz · Jan 12, 2008

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Avid_Consumer · Jan 12, 2008

oh please zzz the only one having a britney freakout is you!

btw very thoughtful response last night. i'll get back to you on it later today

ZZZzzzzzzz · Jan 12, 2008

The depth of a Ron Paul supporter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3iTzSr0PIs

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oh please zzz the only one having a britney freakout is you!

btw very thoughtful response last night. i'll get back to you on it later today
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