Romney and representation without taxation

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nursebee, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. +1 Excellent post.
     
    #21     Sep 18, 2012
  2. It's ironic that this question is arising now, since the Founders of the country thought it out 250 odd years ago.

    Voting was limited to adult male landowners, on the sensible notion that they were responsible for producing the wealth and defending the country, so they had the right to make the decisions.

    The new Constitution was carefully drafted to prevent the problem of taking from one group to subsidize another. Taxes were circumscribed. It took a constitutional amendment, decades later, to even authorize an income tax. Tax revenues were not an issue however since spending was also tightly controlled. Congress was limited to expressly enumerated powers. There was no need for a vast military, since noninterventionalism was a core principle.

    Our present day problems would not surprise the Founders, not if they saw how far we strayed from their vision. Now we recognize no limits on government's taxing power. A supposedly conservative Chief Justice of the Supreme Court just radically expanded that power in the Obamacare case.

    Similarly, taxing one group to subsidize another is a core policy of both parties. The only debate is over how far to go.

    Spending is out of any control. We spend more on our military than all other countries combined, yet are unable to prevail in a war against backward goat herders in Afghanistan. Congress and our politicians seem to view their primary role as preventing anyone anywhere from suffering the effects of bad judgment, bad luck or dysfunctional behavior.

    We probably have passed the point of no return. Our current economic policy is to run up vast debts and then have the Federal Reserve create money to pay them off. Does anyone think that can last very long? It's the financial equivalent of cold fusion or a perpetual motion machine.
     
    #22     Sep 18, 2012
  3. Brass

    Brass

    Yeah, occasionally the Cap'n gets it right.
     
    #23     Sep 18, 2012
  4. BSAM

    BSAM

    We have definitely passed the point of no return.
    tick...tick...tick...
     
    #24     Sep 18, 2012
  5. Brass

    Brass

    You need to get yourself an asbestos-lined bonnet to keep your hair from catching fire.
     
    #25     Sep 18, 2012
  6. JamesL

    JamesL

    Maybe it is long overdue then to move from an income tax based system to a "use tax" format as mentioned, or consumption tax. The current system is corrupt, IMO
     
    #26     Sep 18, 2012
  7. BSAM

    BSAM

    Liberalism has already burned down the whole USA.
    The clock is ticking before the next step.
     
    #27     Sep 18, 2012
  8. pspr

    pspr

    Sad but true, AAA. I don't think there will be any meaningful change until we fall off the cliff. There will be more bandaids but at some point they will all fail in a collapse. It will probably happen when some external, unforseen event strains the system and down we go.
     
    #28     Sep 18, 2012
  9. sensible?

    this is in direct conflict with the declaration of independence.

    Some of the founding fathers understood that this piece of hypocrisy would come back to threaten the union, and you say it is sensible. That is an interesting position AAA. Have you actually thought this thru?
     
    #29     Sep 18, 2012

  10. Houses built on sand......

    Nothing to do with liberalism.

    You might want to review the principles of this country versus it's conduct.
     
    #30     Sep 18, 2012