Rolling forward futures contracts

Discussion in 'Trading' started by andrew black, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Your intution is correct. So in summary:

    Cost of always paying up: 0.5 tick
    Cost of passive trading: 50%*-0.5 + 50%*1 = 0.25 ticks

    Net improvement: 0.25 ticks: about half the original cost

    This is purely theory, but my actual trade statistics come in at almost exactly this level of improvement. Interestingly on a big move the slippage can be much bigger than 1.0, but the market in reality doesn't just move up or down, sometimes it stays the same (at least for the duration of my order). When it stays the same, I will end up getting filled at my passive level. So the chances of a passive trade are a little higher than 50%, which compensates for the fact that paying up costs me a little more than 1.0 on average. So the real figures are something like (not exactly, I don't have the real numbers):

    Cost of always paying up: 0.5 tick
    Cost of passive trading: 45%*-0.5 + 10%*-.5 + 45%*1.2 ~ 0.26 ticks

    GAT
     
    #21     Feb 4, 2020
  2. FCT

    FCT

    I’m still thinking about this... My original example was a market with a 2 tick bid-ask spread. It seems that this changes when the bid-ask is 1 tick. Continuing with the buy order example: if the market stays or ticks lower, you’ll save 0.5 ticks relative to mid. But if the market ticks up, you cross the spread (0.5 ticks) from that new level, which is 1 tick up = 1.5 ticks. So relative to the arrival mid price, we’re looking at 50%*-0.5 + 50%*1.5 = 0.5 ticks...
     
    #22     Feb 4, 2020
  3. Good point, and it would be interesting for me to (at some point) compare the slippage for 1 tick and 2 tick markets.

    GAT
     
    #23     Feb 4, 2020
  4. FCT

    FCT

    Yes - this could possibly guide the execution decision. In one-tick markets it might make sense to take liquidity. But looks like you have historical trade data to back this up. Interesting, thanks.
     
    #24     Feb 4, 2020
  5. TommyR

    TommyR

    i know nothing of forwards. im going to have so many somalian pirates though you will eventually realise.
     
    #25     Feb 4, 2020
  6. Just to update you guys. I have placed my order as zero dollar combo order on Jan 31 and I got a fill today. Thank you for your wisdom MrMuppet.
     
    #26     Feb 4, 2020
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