Risk reward sucks for options

Discussion in 'Options' started by wxytrader, Jul 29, 2024.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    Some of us love to gamble, we like the 20% probability because of positive expectancy.

    https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/lotto-winners/
     
    #61     Jul 31, 2024
  2. poopy

    poopy

    You don't need single variable for understanding Ito or SABR, let alone multivariate. He trades piker CFDs and is generally FOS.
     
    #62     Jul 31, 2024
  3. Yes that would have paid off yesterday :) but as demonstrated, spreads and especially fly's perform better, where you can expect between a 1:1 to a 3:1 return on risk on average.
     
    #63     Jul 31, 2024
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  4. poopy

    poopy

    Flies are great. Traded OTM (all wings) they are long gamma and can be bot for a fraction of a vert, but they are bimodal to delta (and other Greeks).
     
    #64     Jul 31, 2024
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  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    But unlike single legs, I haven't made any $ on flies. :banghead:

    Too dumb, haven't found the secret source for flies. :banghead:
     
    #65     Jul 31, 2024
  6. taowave

    taowave

    When you say a fraction,are you talking a discount greater than 25%?
    And the Vert and the fly are the same strikes(ignoring the long wing)?





     
    #66     Jul 31, 2024
  7. poopy

    poopy

    Assign fly value n. fly = n/1. Yeah, same strikes. Obv i am not talking DN or $-neutral. The modality (and some skew under mkt, trivial) is the reason.

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    #67     Jul 31, 2024
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  8. taowave

    taowave

    My bad,when you said OTM,I was thinking 5% or more OTM..Appreciate it
     
    #68     Jul 31, 2024
  9. Flies are all about @expiry whereas as single call options need to move in a timely manner.

    By my rough calculations for long options:

    • 68% of the time you will lose money depending on when you close the position because a 1SD move by expiry is at best a break even.
    • 27% of the time you will make 1:1 return on risk if price moves 2SD.
    • 5% of the time you will do better than 1:1 return on risk if price moves 3SD.
     
    #69     Jul 31, 2024
  10. MACD

    MACD

    For Sure they did
     
    #70     Jul 31, 2024