Risk/Reward Ratio

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Goldlover, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    I don't think those Nobel winners truly understand tail events like you, real option traders.

    Leverage added more fuel to the fire.
     
    #51     Aug 3, 2023
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  2. ironchef

    ironchef

    Best post I have read on this thread. :thumbsup:
     
    #52     Aug 3, 2023
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  3. taowave

    taowave

    Leverage is one thing,but 27 to 1??

    have to believe Meriwether had an some clue to the risks he took..

    He was head of fomestic fixed income arbitrage at Solly..

    If you have doubts,this is his current "job"..Sounds about right

    "Meriwether has been an owner of thoroughbred horses for a number of years and is a member of the board of directors of the New York Racing Association (NYRA)."


     
    #53     Aug 4, 2023
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  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    they knew every Greek but one: hubris.
    -you know who said this.
     
    #54     Aug 4, 2023
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  5. taowave

    taowave

    “There are two kinds of people who lose money: those who know nothing and those who know everything.”


     
    #55     Aug 4, 2023
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Of course. Those of us living in a glass house shouldn't throw rocks. But that is human nature, we like to pontificate:

    In The Black Swan, "Consider a turkey that is fed every day," Taleb writes. "Every single feeding will firm up the bird's belief that it is the general rule of life to be fed every day by friendly members of the human race 'looking out for its best interests,' as a politician would say.

    "On the afternoon of the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, something unexpected will happen to the turkey. It will incur a revision of belief."

    In that type of situation, 27 to 1 is not bad if they get out before Wednesday.
     
    #56     Aug 4, 2023
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  7. taowave

    taowave

    No glass houses here..I ran short vol books for major IB's and hedge funds,and have gotten caught with my pants down..

    Short vol, 27 to1 leverage??

    ASK and thou shall receive..Only question is when

     
    #57     Aug 5, 2023
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes sir, but I was talking about me, not you. In retail, our equivalent is to write naked deep OTM calls and puts. It is so easy, regularly generate good income and the risks are so overwhelming in our favor. :p

    I had my Wednesday before Thanksgiving moment. Fortunately it was early in my options trading career. I was in the group that knew nothing.
     
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    #58     Aug 5, 2023
  9. taowave

    taowave

    I think we have all been there,the question is how big and who's money

     
    #59     Aug 5, 2023
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  10. A win % of 55% or higher on EQUAL risk vs reward means you have an EDGE. If you have a win% lower, then you can still have an EDGE, but your reward must be higher or double.
     
    #60     Aug 11, 2023
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