Risk/Reward Ratio

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Goldlover, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. Last

    Last

    How do you stay patient in situations where maybe you are repeatedly scalping out too soon or holding winners too long? Like for example, I will maybe scalp out too fast on a few trades that end up running to my "best case scenario" targets, and then I convince myself to hold the next winner for those bigger targets, and then I get a string of trades where I should have taken profits faster. This tends to lead to me overtrading and taking trades that make no sense because I eventually start wanting to "take action" to make up for those inefficient exits especially once a few losses enter the mix as well.
     
    #11     Jun 28, 2023
  2. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    I'm interested to know the input/output formula for risk to reward.

    For example, for every 1 tick set for stoploss, what is the probability of hitting a 1 tick profit target (regardless of entry, strategy, etc)

    Is there even a mathematical relationship?
     
    #12     Jun 28, 2023
  3. mervyn

    mervyn

    it is binary, so 50/50, other factors aside.
     
    #13     Jun 28, 2023
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  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    I don't scalp, or should say almost never do so don't know what to tell you.

    I do use Tom DeMark indicators ( so :p to the no-indicators crowd) for most of my entries which also give me my stop loss spots. Of course I can't say I never get impatient but I've done it enough times, enough years, to just let things do what they will do.
     
    #14     Jun 28, 2023
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    The number is simply the notional value of the ES
     
    #15     Jun 28, 2023
  6. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Overall …
    1R is 50%
    2R is 33%
    3R is 25%

    Risk / (Risk + Reward)
     
    #16     Jun 28, 2023
  7. mervyn

    mervyn

    lol, no one thinks notional in CME products. i only calculated once, about 600 million in 8 months, I am not even a hyper active trader on this forum.
     
    #17     Jun 28, 2023
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  8. Best way to see R/R is:
    1) start with assuming the average price through a period represents the midpoint of an outcome
    2) through time, see if visibility has improved (should shrink the tails as moving forward in time narrows probability density)
    3) fade moves that diverge from the midpoint (post your due diligence that confirms no new accretive info)

    E.g.:

    SPX at 4400 represents a view that fed hikes to ~5.5% and earnings remain resilient at ~220 NTM... that would give SPX a p/e of ~20x.

    If no new data comes out tomorrow and SPX moves down to 4350, then you could "fade" the move back to 4400. If you think the move down is due to passive flows, portfolio rebalancing, and such, then your assessment of risk/reward is favorable.

    You can quantify by considering other scenarios.

    E.g. scenario of Fed not hiking to 5.5%, scenario of economy entering into a recession over NTM (which would be a -ive to EPS), etc. You can assign a probability (your view) of each occurring. This would also allow you to consider your risk of a poor outcome vs. expected reward. Generally, most hedge funds will have some minimum expected reward target (~40% annualized) as a filter...
     
    #18     Jun 28, 2023
  9. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    That's what ET is for silly. Find an idiot to argue something stupid with or go down to politics and state a strong political opinion, all the while keeping your chart open on one side of your main screen and wait for the golden goose to set itself up or to let a trade you are confident of run.
     
    #19     Jun 28, 2023
  10. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    “No one” when I provided you with the contrary evidence. Buddy … If you don’t use stop and don’t know the notional value of your underlying … I feel sorry for you.
     
    #20     Jun 28, 2023