RIP, Spygate May 24th, 2018 — May 25th, 2018

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, May 25, 2018.

  1. jem

    jem

    and I told you before... its not my job to explain the spying or gathering info... (there is no difference)

    If you don't proffer reasons and the FBI does not give a good reason, it looks political and hence it looks like the FBI were the law breakers.


     
    #11     May 26, 2018
  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    I didn't ask what your job was, I am simply asking that since you are convinced there was spying, what could they possibly be spying about in the campaign? How can you say it looks political when they never leaked that they were 'spying' during the campaign and didnt gather any info that was political. Trump, his campaign manager and multiple other people having secret contacts with Russians wasn't worth 'spying'? If John Gotti ran for office then FBI should just ignore all his other crimes?
     
    #12     May 26, 2018
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  3. piezoe

    piezoe

    jem, honey, I am sure you will eventually know what you want to know. The FBI will explain. But in the meantime it's a bit unreasonable, don't you think, for the FBI to just call you up to tell you, or just blurt it out, what they are doing in the middle of an investigation? When all is said and done there will be plenty of information backed by hard facts and plenty of time for you to decide whether the FBI was hunting witches or criminals. In the mean time, I think it makes more sense to be concerned about the chief criminal trying to interfere with the investigation. We have to assume he's the chief criminal , because otherwise why would he be trying so hard to interfere. If someone was investigating me for tax evasion I could care less, but on the other hand if they were investigating me to see if I cut that label of my mattress, or used a pesticide for something that's not on the label, I'd be worried as shitless. I'd have to yell "WITCHHUNT" and keep repeating it.
     
    #13     May 26, 2018
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  4. jem

    jem

    you guys are the reason America will be doomed. when americans like you are so blinded in your allegiance to the democrat party that you are unwilling to see the corruption in the FBI its very sad.

    There will always be criminals and perhaps trump is one.
    But, when the FBI starts acting like criminals and seeking FISA warrants after collaborating with Hillary and the DNC and using a full of shit dossier borne of collusion with Russia to justify spying on the poltical oppostion...

    when you tell us that IRS was not weoponized even though you were presented with facts....

    its you side that is blind.

    I don't care if Trump goes to jail... but I hate to see my govt go corrupt the way it has.

     
    #14     May 26, 2018
  5. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    You keep using big words like corruption but never go in detail.

    What is the corruption? What did the FBI do exactly, they spied on who and what was their end game?

    What was wrong about the FISA warrant? What were the lies in the dossier?

    Stop repeating every single party talking point, get specific.

    'IRS was weaponize', another bullshit

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...b6e3c4-a929-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html
     
    #15     May 26, 2018
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  6. wildchild

    wildchild

    In other words, Trump should double down. Lindsey Graham is a loser.
     
    #16     May 26, 2018
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    The underlying gist of my silly post, jem. was that I wouldn't be much concerned about an FBI investigation of myself unless I was actually guilty of a crime. So when we see Trump repeating over and over , beating a dead horse as it were, that the FBI is corrupt, that they are engaged in a witch hunt, we should weigh Trump's behavior and rhetoric against the probability that the FBI would persist in an investigation that is going nowhere producing no evidence of wrong doing, that the Grand Juries convened are all corrupt, the courts are corrupt, and the many indictments handed down so far, the guilty pleas and the convictions. have no substantial evidence behind them.

    The chief criminal has planted the idea in your brain that your government is, in general, corrupt, and you can't get it out. The only way your going to be able to get it out and see truth is to ask for the evidence. The truth, jem. is that the government is , in general, not corrupt. Yes, it is from time to time, inefficient, wrong, bungling, but, in general, it is not corrupt. Finding corruption in individual government officials from time to time is not evidence for general corruption in government. Trump, with his staged rhetoric has been able to turn truth on its head in the minds of 30 to 40 million people. It's the classic technique of a demagogue we are witnessing.

    By the way you should not call me a Democrat, though I don't much care, when you know I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Of course I voted for Clinton, but I had no choice. I recognized that Trump had a serious personality disorder, disqualifying him, in my opinion, as a candidate. I also knew of his past which was disturbing, and his behavior during the campaign only reinforced my opinion of him. He's turned out to be far far worse as President than I could have imagined.
     
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    #17     May 27, 2018
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  8. bone

    bone

    This matter is far from settled - IG Horowitz and US Attorney Hunt will have much more say in the matter than Rep. Adam Schiff, the media, or the OP.
     
    #18     May 27, 2018
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Obama is a Kenyan
    Thousands of Muslims celebrating 911 on their rooftops
    Cruz senior offing JFK
    Foster suicide cover up
    Syrian refugees being Trojan horses
    ISIS charging the stage at convention
    Scalia being offed by the administration
    Vaccines cause autism
    Saudi's fleeing 911 from insider knowledge
    Climate change isn't real
    Asbestos is a "con"
    Rubio's is ineligibility to run for office
    Access Hollywood tape is doctored
    Morning Joe offing his intern
    Obama tapped my phones
    Illegals swung the election
    Seth Rich was murdered by the Clintons
    Release the memo
    Canadian Uranium being sold to the Russians by the Clintons
     
    #19     May 27, 2018
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  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    #20     May 27, 2018